I’d think you’d find a broader consensus around “tracking must die” than “advertising must die”. Though advertising itself is often obnoxious and motivation for large-scale fraud.

Ad-fraud is a disturbing reality. HN's anti-business consensus is a disturbing nightmare.

> HN's anti-business consensus

Any evidence of that? Also, anti-advertising is not anti-business. And the good thing with a nightmare is that it disappears once you open your eyes and see what the reality actually is like.

> HN's anti-business consensus is a disturbing nightmare.

I see this tact in almost every thread about Google and Facebook. Right along with "HN (users) are against any advertising". This sort of ad-hominem approach to debate is non-constructive and frankly bullshit.

HN advertises. It's owned and operated by an actual profit making business. Nobody complains about that. People don't mind because fundamentally we know when we leave HackerNews, YCombinator isn't following us.

The consensus is largely not anti-business, it is against tracking.

If I'm anti-business, does that make you a Google shill? Let's try to talk about the topic and not the attitude of the people here.