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Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by Triv888 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @07:30PM (#26021121)
And Google is probably paying Mozilla so that they block those cookies too... I think that they might have paid them for other things too... like for blocking 99% of extensions on Firefox mobile (those are speculations, that are very probable).
Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by esperent on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:05PM (#26021345)
I still use Firefox 68 on Android since that's the last version to support extensions. It works well, for now.
Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by JohnTHaller on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @11:25PM (#26022568)
The current stable version of Firefox on Android works just fine with uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Ghostery, HTTPS Everywhere, etc.
Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by esperent on Thursday February 04, 2021 @12:05AM (#26022807)
> etc.

No, pretty much just those. There are very few extensions available on new builds of mobile Firefox.

I got excited when the blog team announced that the were more available on the nightly buil, but after jumping through loads of hoops I found out there's just a couple of new ones and most extensions are still unavailable.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by freebuju on Thursday February 04, 2021 @02:27AM (#26023383)
You most likely found some community suggested collection add-ons list. You can install any of the Firefox add-ons on mobile by adding them to your own curated collection.

The real question though is will all of them work?

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by esperent on Thursday February 04, 2021 @04:26AM (#26023999)
No, I created my own empty list then tried to add extensions to it as described in the Firefox dev blog post.
Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by Triv888 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:46PM (#26021615)
I do too, but we don't get security updates. It is ridiculous that they went backward like this.

If someone has a better explanation then Google paying them for doing that, please let me know. I think Mozilla's new CEO is a sock puppet like most of the sheep out there (including me sometimes).

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by SubiculumCode on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:24PM (#26021477)
I have extensions on Firefox nightly for android.
Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by gcblkjaidfj on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:44PM (#26021598)
You have 20 extensions that were "approved" by mozilla more than a year ago! All the others are banned forever.

You can install uBlock, but not uMatrix. Many many extensions are banned just because they reviewed ONE extension that they preferred for a certain usecase. For example, for OLED phone night reading, there's the most installed at the time extension "Dark Background and Light text" that offered many customizations and worked on reader mode, and more importantly redish text/links. But too bad, because Mozilla picked the one with NO settings, but a nicer icon (which is literally disney's darth vader, but who cares) called "dark reader" which only have bright blue links and white text (and despite the name do not work on reader mode), and because there is already one extension with "dark mode" they will never whitelist the others, or even provide a setting to enable it on your own.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by dralley on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @09:17PM (#26021802)
> You have 20 extensions that were "approved" by mozilla more than a year ago! All the others are banned forever.

This is a ridiculous lie, Mozilla has said repeatedly that more extensions are being enabled as support for more extension APIs are added, and it has been true. Several of my extensions which were previously disabled have come back online after updates.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by esperent on Thursday February 04, 2021 @12:07AM (#26022819)
I checked this three days ago after reading the Mozilla blig post, and literally none of the extensions I wanted (except the ones already available on stable) were available. The list of available extensions, even on nightly, is very small.

Perhaps it will grow but I'll wait to see that before I believe it.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by gcblkjaidfj on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @05:20PM (#26083183)
Take my word for it.

I'm still waiting very basic and popular extensions (uMatrix anyone?) for SEVERAL MONTHS.

And try to offer community help. Ha!

mozilla have to die for firefox to live.

uMatrix and uBlock share the same base code, and we have uBlock but no uMatrix... it is all so rotten. Almost like mozilla is actively breaking firefox.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by gcblkjaidfj on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:39PM (#26021568)
I can't imagine the kind of Stupids that are steering mozilla, but they definitely want people to move to chrome.

They disabled many loved extensions by power users for absolutely no reason at all! after those power users spend years bending to all their capricious changes. moving to webextension? done. moving to a new mobile UI? done. But, they still want you to move to chrome no matter what.

We should take firefox out of their hands before it is too late.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by dralley on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @09:24PM (#26021840)
>They disabled many loved extensions by power users for absolutely no reason at all!

The reasons were stated repeatedly. They rewrote the mobile browser engine, which broke extension API support since all of the internal APIs changed, and they didn't have the resources to support both browsers simultaneously for a long period of time, so they prioritized the most-used extensions first and will enable more extensions as the APIs are hooked back up underneath.

This had tangible benefits - the new browser is significantly snappier and uses less power in my experience.

>We should take firefox out of their hands before it is too late.

It's open source, if you aren't satisfied with the speed of their progress, you can always help out. You say you'd like to take this work out of their hands? Well, here it is.

https://mzl.la/3jgCsW3

These are, specifically, unimplemented APIs and known API bugs in the new Firefox Mobile, that are on the Mozilla TODO list, and for which contributions would presumably be welcome. Enjoy.

Unless when you said "we", you actually meant "other people".

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by iggldiggl on Thursday February 04, 2021 @03:41AM (#26023792)
One problem is that it doesn't work as simply as "all APIs this add-on uses are supported, so let's enable it" – they instead still insist on explicitly whitelisting every individual add-on. So a few really popular extensions are whitelisted and the long tail is left behind, even if it might work perfectly well or at least useable enough.

I have for example one small extension that I maintain, which is basically little more than a glorified page script which therefore doesn't use any special extension APIs at all. Despite that, it took months for it to be enabled, and if it wasn't as popular as it is I might still be waiting even today.

> the new browser is significantly snappier and uses less power in my experience.

Ha! From a cold start, on my phone launching the new Firefox (with less add-ons) and loading a page seems to take approximatively twice as long as on Firefox 68, and still ~50 % more than even on Firefox 55.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by iggldiggl on Thursday February 04, 2021 @05:18PM (#26030447)
Postscriptum: To be fair, after investigating a little more it seems that the cold start penalty with the new Firefox seems likely due to fixing a bug that meant uBlock and similar add-ons were previously unable to intercept the first few network connections that were happening right during startup.

So on the one hand fixing that bug makes sense and has some value, but on the other hand and in practice the increased startup time still feels rather quite annoying, too, given that my phone isn't the latest and fastest model.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by gcblkjaidfj on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @05:23PM (#26083219)
> The reasons were stated repeatedly. They rewrote the mobile browser engine

*this have nothing to do with my comment*

I am talking two or three iterations AFTER that. please, stop commenting long posts where you have no idea.

yes, mozilla moved to a new engine. Before that they moved to a new extension format. etc etc etc.

All the extension developers worked on the ports already, *THEN* mozilla, only for mobile, enabled "recommended extensions" which was fine. Until they DISABLED the non-recommended (not non-updated to the new tech).

It have nothing to do with technology. In fact I have many of those extensions working on my phone by fiddling with their whitelist urls. No problem running them AT ALL.

This is political.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by esperent on Thursday February 04, 2021 @12:09AM (#26022825)
> so they prioritized the most-used extensions first and will enable more extensions as the APIs are hooked back up underneath.

We've been waiting nearly a year and a half so far for them to enable extensions on the new engine.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by dralley on Thursday February 04, 2021 @01:04AM (#26023070)
And progress is being made. Like I said, I've personally seen most of my extensions that were initially disabled due to incompatibility, reenable themselves after update.
Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by deathlight on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:16PM (#26022186)
They made a workaround for power users: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...

One needs to make a mozilla account to complete the last steps and that's where I've been holding off. Mostly out of laziness and also from lack of necessity since I just moved on to other browsers in the mean time.

Re:Google’s approach to replacing the cookie is drawing anti... by esperent on Thursday February 04, 2021 @12:10AM (#26022829)
I tried this. Hardly any extensions are available beyond the ones already available on the stable build.