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Re:How Billionaire Robert Smith Avoided Indictment in Multim... by modeless on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:04PM (#26017681)
> even if a billionaire does get caught and pays all their back-taxes with penalties, they will still most likely be a billionaire and be able to sustain a pretty posh lifestyle

By that logic, if they just pay their taxes it won't affect their lifestyle either, so their incentive to cheat is also lower.

> the payoff for a billionaire successfully cheating on their taxes is much higher than for a non-billionaire

In absolute terms, sure. And in absolute terms the penalties are much bigger too.

> the IRS prosecutes a lot more low-income people than high-income people (by percentage as well as by absolute numbers) so a billionaire has much better odds of not getting caught

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your evidence. It's possible that low income people are cheating taxes at a higher rate than billionaires. I really don't have a lot of trouble believing this; small tax fraud is widespread, even accepted by a lot of people.

> billionaires have access to better layers, accountants, publicists and politicians to give them negotiating leverage if they do get caught

I don't see any evidence that this guy got a better deal than he should have.

The point of tax enforcement is not to punish billionaires for being billionaires. The point of tax enforcement is to ensure taxes are collected. If you think taxes are too low, or just want to punish billionaires more harshly because they're billionaires, then Congress is the place that has to be changed.

Re:How Billionaire Robert Smith Avoided Indictment in Multim... by probably_wrong on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:30PM (#26019394)
The point about the IRS auditing poor people more than rich people was in the news some months ago. The IRS confirmed that they don't prosecute the rich because they can't afford to go after them.

Source: https://www.propublica.org/article/irs-sorry-but-its-just-ea...

Re:How Billionaire Robert Smith Avoided Indictment in Multim... by modeless on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:42PM (#26019547)
Your claim that the IRS doesn't prosecute the rich is simply false. https://www.irs.gov/about-irs/irs-audit-rates-significantly-...
Re:How Billionaire Robert Smith Avoided Indictment in Multim... by onethought on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:35PM (#26018763)
I definitely think the wealthy should be held to a higher standard than the poor. Not only is the magnitude of their crime bigger, but their is less justification for it.

There is evidence he worked out a deal with the removal of deductions regarding his charity... why did they remove those deductions? If he’s entitled to them... clearly it was done as a negotiating piece.

How many average Joe’s have 180 million in deductions to negotiate with?

Re:How Billionaire Robert Smith Avoided Indictment in Multim... by vmception on Thursday February 04, 2021 @01:29AM (#26023179)
> why did they remove those deductions?

yes, it is 3-pronged

a) easy to identify

b) liquidity, easy to use for payment

c) kickback and relax, emphasis on kickback

c might sound annoying, but the revenue service has the primary goal of revenue. replenishing the treasury so it can make its own interest payments. you might say, "well take that and still jail the people". okay, I guess. it could have happened here.

all parties in this case acknowledge that a court case would not have any guaranteed results, specifically because of your second sentence:

> Not only is the magnitude of their crime bigger, but their is less justification for it.

The justification is actually broader. Like, sure if the billionaire lacks a justification for paying yes, but the reality is that the government doesn't know WHICH justification the billionaire is using. That's the game. They can be totally blindsided. And then there's the jury, yeah sure a jury with populist sentiment against billionaires combined with a jury judging a black man, doesn't sound great for the defendant but that overlooks everything that was attempted. The man tried to use the amnesty program that the US government set up, and the government denied him! The man already snitched for the government on his first investor who set him up for life! The man tried filing amended tax returns. The jury might actually take a dim view on the state for that, I could totally see a hung jury. And then his lawyers can totally drop some legal opinions they made years ago that showed a justification the government didn't expect at all, shifting liability away from the defendant.

Re:How Billionaire Robert Smith Avoided Indictment in Multim... by DecoPerson on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:41PM (#26020176)
> By that logic, if they just pay their taxes it won't affect their lifestyle either, so their incentive to cheat is also lower.

Not quite.

You need to think about when they have the money. It is “capitalism” after all, not “moneyism.” If you build/invest-in something using $10mil that should have been tax, with a decent ROI you might make that money back in 5-10 years. Now you have the original money, plus own something that continues to make money. Income++, but your “back taxes” are still the same for the earlier fraudulent period.

(assuming the IRS doesn’t take stuff like this into account when dealing with collecting “back taxes”)

Re:How Billionaire Robert Smith Avoided Indictment in Multim... by modeless on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @07:05PM (#26020944)
The IRS is not stupid. They charge interest and add penalties on top. This guy saved $43m and paid $137m plus a bunch of other stuff. He did not come out ahead.