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Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by travisgriggs on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @09:51AM (#26014045)
Today I learned there was a short period of history called Regency and I demured on the fact that British society could put a psycho executive in restraint while my country, a supposed enlightened democracy (the US), can not.

I actually found the article wanting. I could not turn to a colleague after reading it and explain why this period was an ideal setting for romances. I learned who some of sources of romance in this period are. I learned that perhaps modern romances set in the period aren't true to the original form. And I got a glimpse at some of the attributes of said era (fictional or not so). But I did not see much that told me why this was an appealing backdrop for romance novels. What about this era makes it ideal for romance vs other eras?

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by Mizza on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:13AM (#26014308)
That literally just happened, and democracy was the process by which it occurred.
Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by jfengel on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:11PM (#26018496)
Barely. Even now there are a great many people -- tens of millions -- who believe that democracy failed.
Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by Veen on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:59AM (#26014813)
> the fact that British society could put a psycho executive in restraint while my country, a supposed enlightened democracy (the US), can not.

That "psycho executive"—George III—reigned during the period of the American War of Independence, which, if you recall, he lost, so it seems both nations managed to restrain his power.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by rsynnott on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:00PM (#26017633)
> I demured on the fact that British society could put a psycho executive in restraint while my country, a supposed enlightened democracy (the US), can not

The UK's mechanisms for restraining Naughty Monarchs, back when it was relevant, were largely unwritten but pretty extensive; 150 years previously, Charles I had, ah, lost his head about it. The US's mechanisms are limited, written, and, as it turns out, don't work.

It's probably best to keep in mind, though, that George III had a lot less power than the US president; the monarch had basically lost the royal assent (veto) by then, for practical purposes. I'm reasonably sure that by that point the monarch had nothing similar to an executive order, either.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by heavenlyblue on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:01AM (#26014159)
The supposedly enlightened democracy is currently heavily polarised and the British society back then was not.
Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by FearNotDaniel on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:11AM (#26014273)
The reason the article is found wanting is that the answer to the question is not really in anything to do with the Regency era per se. It's mostly because Jane Austen was really good at writing romantic comedies, and so set a template that everyone wants to follow in much the same way that nearly all modern era Hollywood romcoms are pale imitations of Nora Ephron's work (When Harry Met Sally, Sleepless in Seattle, You've Got Mail - which was itself a remake anyway but with the Ephron formula liberally applied).

Ephron's genius, as with Austen's, was not simply the fact that she seemed to have come up with a winning formula, there was also an enormous amount of craft, wit, originality and compassion involved.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by stereolambda on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:43AM (#26014632)
I don't know, it was the sort of a period when regular people in England where ran over by cavalry for demanding suffrage rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre The whole Europe's elites were busy putting down the post-French Revolution upheaval.
Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by rsynnott on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:03PM (#26017662)
That's an... interesting view of history. I think people do downplay it these days, but there was significant unrest for most of the 19th century.
Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by macspoofing on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:24AM (#26014414)
>I demured on the fact that British society could put a psycho executive in restraint while my country, a supposed enlightened democracy (the US), can not.

To be clear, this is a partisan political opinion that borders on authoritarianism. You may not like Trump, but he was democratically elected. So prey tell, what would "restraining" a democratically elected 'executive' look like? Remember, any rule you define has to be measured against past presidents and apply to future presidents.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @11:36AM (#26015378)
It would look like the 25th Amendment being exercised.
Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by ashtonkem on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:36PM (#26017309)
It’s generally agreed upon by constitutional scholars that the 25th amendment wasn’t designed for that, and that trying to use it in that way creates some nightmare scenarios. Specifically it gives the president the ability to challenge their removal and have the senate adjudicate, which would be decidedly not great.

If Trump had been intubated with Covid or suffered a stroke, then the 25th amendment would have been an appropriate choice. Otherwise the proper avenue to remove a misbehaving president is impeachment.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:02PM (#26018419)
> It’s generally agreed upon by constitutional scholars that the 25th amendment wasn’t designed for that...

Well, we sure had a bunch of "constitutional scholars" saying that the 25th should be invoked for exactly that. If you want to claim that those people were random people pushing their viewpoint rather than actual scholars, I could accept that. But if you're saying there's a general consensus among the experts, I wouldn't mind seeing a credible source to that effect.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by 0xffff2 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:45PM (#26018214)
>... and have the senate adjudicate, which would be decidedly not great.

Why not? Sounds like it's roughly tantamount to giving the cabinet the power to impeach the President. Given the natural restraint on that power in that the cabinet is appointed by the President, I'm not sure I see any problem there.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by ashtonkem on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:09PM (#26018482)
My wording was unclear. Having the Senate check on the 25th amendment is a good thing; the cabinet should not have the power to depose the president just because. That’s clearly a very dangerous power to just leave laying around like that.

What’s bad is having a very much awake and ambulatory Trump arguing in front of the Senate that he should be back in power. That’s a political nightmare, and far worse than Congress using its powers to expel the president on their own initiative. It’s much better for our body politic for Congress to impeach and save the 25th amendment for less politically ambiguous situations.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by macspoofing on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:02PM (#26018418)
>Sounds like it's roughly tantamount to giving the cabinet the power to impeach the President

Congress also the ability to impeach the President. Congress couldn't get the votes to do remove the President from office ... so your partisan solution is for the cabinet to find a reason to remove the President? Why? Because you don't like how your fellow citizens voted?

How about this: Vote him out in the next election? Oh that actually happened! And Democracy survived!

For all the talk about Trump, the opposition is perfectly willing to destroy every single norm and democratic institution just to get him.

Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by 0xffff2 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:59PM (#26019035)
Woha, what? This wasn't "my solution". I was just commenting because I didn't understand the particular danger, which the OP clarified.
Re:Why Are So Many Romances Set in the Regency Period? by macspoofing on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:04PM (#26018441)
What are you talking about? Remove Trump for what reason? Because you don't like him and so you're willing to discard the votes of half the country just get him out?

Insanity.