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Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by JanSt on Monday February 01, 2021 @07:52AM (#25988184)
You cannot reduce ownership of a stock to discounted cash flow. Owning shares (mostly) comes with shareholder rights like voting. To me it is pretty obvious selling more of those rights than exist is fraudulent.
Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by jameshart on Monday February 01, 2021 @08:05AM (#25988277)
In the simple short scenario, where A owns a share, lends it to B, then B sells it to C, the share in question only has one owner: C. A doesn’t have a share any more, they have an IOU from B for one share. B doesn’t have a share either. Only C has a share.

Once the IOU comes due, B will need to acquire a share from D to give back to A, at which point both A and C own a share - but D no longer does.

At no point are there any magic duplicated shareholding rights.

Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by JanSt on Monday February 01, 2021 @02:01PM (#25992149)
Yes, but Gamestops was above 150% of float short. So that scenario doesn't matter and fraudulent stuff is going on. Shares were literally created from thin air.
Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by alisonkisk on Monday February 01, 2021 @08:22AM (#25988419)
Google did this exact experiment with GOOG and GOOGL. Voting is worth about 1-5% of the stock price.

And you don't get extra voting rights for shorting (borrowing) a share.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/05/shortsalevotingr...

Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by fennecfoxen on Monday February 01, 2021 @10:25AM (#25989431)
Whoever lends shares to the short seller lends the voting rights attached to the shares as well, so as long as the short is covered, there's not actually any excess voting available. Moreover, sellers have up to two days to deliver the shares to begin with (the settlement period). If a naked short seller can secure the loan or the securities within that period, it all works out. (If they can't, well, it's fraudulent for other reasons more direct than the voting.)
Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by JanSt on Monday February 01, 2021 @02:02PM (#25992170)
How does this work at 160% of shares shorted?