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Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by rayiner on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:23PM (#25972619)
What’s deeply messed up is that in Bangladesh, where I’m from, people are way more outraged at Israel (which they have zero connection to personally) than quasi-slavery of other Bangladeshis in the Gulf States. It’s the product of powerful propaganda.

It’s kind of horrifying to see the effect of that same propaganda here in the US recently.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by danans on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:34PM (#25972730)
> than quasi-slavery of other Bangladeshis in the Gulf States. It’s the product of powerful propaganda.

Why is it surprising? It's not complicated. Gulf states - not Israel - pay the bills in Bangladesh. It also throws in religious fundamentalist indoctrination schools for free, schools that preach hatred of Israel.

> It’s kind of horrifying to see the effect of that same propaganda here in the US recently.

The majority of the US supports both Israel's and the Palestinians' right to exist without oppression and fear of attack. People are largely opposed to either party violating that principle.

Perhaps you missed the outrage in the US at the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, or the bipartisan condemnation of the Saudis' war against Yemen while the previous president and his family courted them, or the US renewable energy industry that is trying to decouple us from Gulf petroleum dependency.

The US public has deeply soured on the Gulf States across the political spectrum. The only people who are still warm to them, as ever, are those who seek access to their immense capital or are enamored with their theocratic and authoritarian system of government.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by rayiner on Saturday January 30, 2021 @05:57PM (#25973878)
I wonder if Khashoggi’s murder would have gotten a much attention if Trump hadn’t commented about it.
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by danans on Saturday January 30, 2021 @08:53PM (#25974998)
That's a diversionary hypothetical, and not a very effective one. Especially given the obvious reality that Khashoggi's employer was the Washington Post, which clearly had a reason call out for the truth about his disappearance and murder, and the means to distribute that call on it's opinion pages.

Furthermore, the previous President addressed his killing in the mildest possible terms, claiming (laughably) that the Saudi ruler had no involvement.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/1064939271113637890...

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by joejohnson on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:37PM (#25972756)
You can be outraged at two things at the same time.

But the apartheid situation in Israel is perhaps a more blatant example of ongoing human rights abuse, and thus easier to understand compared to the more subtle racism as class subjection in the US.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by ars on Saturday January 30, 2021 @11:13PM (#25975853)
There is no "apartheid situation" in Israel. Israeli Arabs have full rights in both law and practice.

So not sure what "blatant example" you are talking about.

> thus easier to understand

There are few situations harder to understand than Israel and Palestine. If you think it's an "easy to understand" situation it's a pretty clear sign you are utterly ignorant on the matter, and should not be posting comments about it.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by momo_O on Sunday January 31, 2021 @07:16PM (#25984083)
> There is no "apartheid situation" in Israel.

How would you respond to South African apartheid survivor and Nobel Peace laureate, Desmond Tutu, who said:

"I have witnessed the systemic humiliation of Palestinian men, women and children by members of the Israeli security forces," he said in a statement.

"Their humiliation is familiar to all black South Africans who were corralled and harassed and insulted and assaulted by the security forces of the apartheid government."

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by rayiner on Saturday January 30, 2021 @05:56PM (#25973871)
> You can be outraged at two things at the same time.

Sure, but what they choose to be outraged about can be telling. You see so many people talking about “apartheid” in Israel, but almost no one complaining about modern day slavery in the Gulf States. Your typical American has no reason to be more “outraged” about one than the other. The fact that one is vastly more prominent in the public consciousness speaks volumes.

Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by lupire on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:09PM (#25973023)
Hatred of Jews is the most powerful unifying force in world history.
Re:Are the Persian Gulf city-states slave societies? by dibujaron on Sunday January 31, 2021 @12:30AM (#25976308)
this is a pretty hot take. it's a powerful one for sure, but the most unifying force has to be tribal affiliation or familial bonds or something.