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Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by HugoDaniel on Saturday January 30, 2021 @05:52AM (#25968054)
Please provide data. How did you make the comparison? Does it consider that these countries moved up the priority stack through shady tactics and started vaccination earlier than the EU?

Are you analysing the numbers per capita? total? average in 7 days?

Please be constructive.

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by danielfoster on Saturday January 30, 2021 @05:56AM (#25968076)
The data is easily available by searching Google.

The EU has been slow to order doses from viable partners and always seems to be the last to approve new vaccines. Some EU countries are only now giving their first vaccines.

What shady tactics did other countries use? To be fair it’s not reasonable to demand someone show data and then allude to “shady tactics” without providing evidence, though I don’t doubt that shady tactics were probably used all around.

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by HugoDaniel on Saturday January 30, 2021 @05:58AM (#25968090)
Does not answer the question or expand on what time interval the data is collected.

However, since you played the Google card, please take it back:

"What shady tactics did other countries use?"

Also easily available by searching Google.

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by MichaelRazum on Saturday January 30, 2021 @07:51AM (#25968656)
Id doesn't matter at all. Facts are: Other countries placed their bets faster and started vaccination faster. First come first serve, don't see anything wrong with it.

Maybe the EU should also use shady tactics but it sounds more like a huge corruption and bureaucracy disaster.

By the way Biotech offered more vaccines and it was refused (even the CEO of Biotech gave an interview and said it was very confusing how the EU negotiated).

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by HugoDaniel on Saturday January 30, 2021 @08:29AM (#25968879)
"Huge corruption and bureaucracy disaster"

Please provide facts before making unsubstantiated claims.

This is how fake news proliferate. Don't contribute to it.

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by MichaelRazum on Saturday January 30, 2021 @09:03AM (#25969138)
Sure.

Corruption

Ursula von der Leyen. Just the wrong person. I would say it sounds very much like corruption to me.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-urs...

Seems that France tried to help it's own company Sanofi.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/macron-accused-of-holding...

Bureaucracy

Eu approved weeks later then others. If every day counts that is in my point of view a bureaucracy disaster.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccine-e...

Here also a claim from Pfilzer about ordering policy as too bureaucratically and slow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/01/france-to-step...

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by HugoDaniel on Saturday January 30, 2021 @09:33AM (#25969354)
Those corruption cases must be verified and dealt with by the law.

The EU latency is a well known cost of the coordinating effort of multiple countries with different politics and perspectives. EU is not a country.

Make no mistake, without the EU the peripheral countries like mine would still be waiting for a vaccine.

Make no mistake, without the EU countries like France and Germany would be having similar, if not better, vaccination numbers than the UK/USA are having now.

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by ucha on Saturday January 30, 2021 @07:18AM (#25968473)
I'm using the only statistic that matters, the percentage of the population being vaccinated. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

If the goal of vaccination is to stop the propagation of the virus, all the other possible metrics you cited are irrelevant.

Which shady tactics? Not being 3 months late to place an order?

Re:Europe's Vaccine Disaster by HugoDaniel on Saturday January 30, 2021 @09:42AM (#25969435)
"the only statistic that matters"

this is the kind of certainty that hides misconceptions and forces biased perspectives.