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Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by jsiepkes on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:10AM (#25967542)
I agree that at some point you need to be able to say: "We just don't want person X to ever return in our society.".

The big question is how do you implement such a thing? I think the English had the right idea by expelling them though I don't know if such a thing would still work in 2021...

Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by thaumasiotes on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:23AM (#25967621)
Exile is one of the most traditional legal punishments. (Everywhere.) I think a couple of things tend to undermine it in the modern day:

- Very free movement between regions.

- No norm of distrust for strangers. In a traditional society, when someone new shows up, the default is that nobody trusts them to do anything. Any transaction that doesn't settle immediately can't be done, etc. But modern people are supposed to treat strangers as if they didn't just show up because they got ejected from their home. This means exiling people more or less corresponds to screwing over the hapless, trusting society they get exiled to.

There is a solution implemented in the US, the sex offender registry, meant to address this exact problem. ("What if someone enters our community, but they're not trustworthy?") The problem is that the formalization of the sex offender registry (1) is the same everywhere -- not a big problem; the old norm of distrust for strangers doesn't differ in that regard -- and (2) supersedes the old system whereby a stranger could, over time, become trusted. You might personally trust someone who once urinated in public, but he'll never be officially trustworthy no matter what happens.

Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by FooHentai on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:48AM (#25967738)
Add to this a lack of remaining frontiers - Used to be those were somewhere for people to strike out and make a truly new start. Perhaps if/when space becomes a true new frontier that dynamic will return.
Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by bilbo0s on Saturday January 30, 2021 @06:28AM (#25968250)
This means exiling people more or less corresponds to screwing over the hapless, trusting society they get exiled to

There are no hapless, trusting societies any longer. The way the criminal justice system works, if we exile these guys running the vaccine scam, the nations we exile them to will immediately deport them back to the US. No one wants the criminals from other nations. So unless your crime is not terribly serious, exile won't work.

It certainly won't work in this instance. This is not some trifling misdemeanor.

Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by thaumasiotes on Saturday January 30, 2021 @07:25AM (#25968505)
Exile does not usually remove someone from the country. Greek exiles pretty much just had to leave the city they were exiled from. Chinese exiles had to observe a minimum distance from the point of exile, which was set according to the severity of their crime. The British practice of transporting criminals to other continents is abnormal.

We're talking about someone getting kicked out of Phoenix and moving to Austin.

Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by esja on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:52AM (#25967758)
Human rights law in many countries prevents their citizens from being made stateless. The UK has tried to strip the citizenship of some ISIL members, e.g. Shamima Begum, but it’s tied up in court:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum

Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by spoonjim on Saturday January 30, 2021 @05:07AM (#25967825)
You implement it by putting them in prison for the rest of their lives. You could just cordon off an island Alcatraz style, helicopter drop in food and supplies, and let them figure out their own shit.
Re:In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startu... by Mtinie on Saturday January 30, 2021 @06:21AM (#25968208)
You’ve generally described the colonization of Australia by the British.

https://www.digitalpanopticon.org/Convicts_and_the_Colonisat...