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Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by dang on Friday January 29, 2021 @03:38PM (#25962150)
Please don't do psychological mass-diagnosis of large internet communities, including HN, in HN comments. Those are always an invention because there isn't nearly enough data to assess anything like that.

Meanwhile, when you do this (I don't mean you personally), it's always to bash the other side of some $issue, which is just the sort of flamebait and provocation we're asking people to avoid here—regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by TeMPOraL on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:28AM (#25959046)
You say "narcissists", I say I'm tired of seeing people shutting down anyone who uses their brain to try and comprehend the facts - and god forbid they know some math and are capable of formal reasoning.

This approach is just teaching people to repeat memes after pundits and not use their brain - instead of teaching them to work on better reasoning skills, and applying these skills to the problems they face, while accounting for their lack of expertise.

Discussions should be about arguments, not people's authority. If you see someone being wrong and you know better because you've studied the field for longer, point out the flaws in their arguments, offer corrections, but embrace that they're at least trying for understanding, instead of condemning them.

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by beaconstudios on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:44AM (#25959272)
I totally agree that merit of arguments should be earned by the argument, but on HN there's an awful lot of bad arguments posited in terms of "I think it probably works THIS way based on how I imagined up the entire industry in my head" that then go on to try to make a "hoho those stupid industry insiders, they didn't see solution X" point on said completely imaginary model. IE, not very rigorous models being used overconfidently.

Closely related XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1831/

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by bart_spoon on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:40PM (#25960022)
> "I think it probably works THIS way based on how I imagined up the entire industry in my head"

That's how every opinion anyone's ever had works. Everyone has a mental model, which they use to understand the world. If you have a problem with the specifics, address them. Otherwise, you are simply appealing to authority.

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by beaconstudios on Friday January 29, 2021 @01:12PM (#25960407)
Of course. But there's a difference between studying or being involved in an industry to formulate your model and being confident in that, and being confident in pure conjecture. Mental models are great and they're really all we have to understand the world, but they should be based in some kind of observation.
Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by TeMPOraL on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:52AM (#25959375)
The arguments posited in terms of "I think it probably works THIS way ..." are arguably the best ones - they qualify someone's lack of expertise and save the reader from assigning undue confidence to claims :).

That said, Internet discussions are run on Cunningham's Law - you say what you think you know, and others will call your errors out, or challenge your assumptions. As long as people don't read any single comment as gospel, but consider the whole discussion in context of their own knowledge, applying basic critical thinking, everyone gets to train their reasoning skills and learn something. I'd expect this to be a baseline on HN.

I'm confident being the protagonist of that XKCD is a rite of passage in this industry :).

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by egwor on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:45PM (#25960085)
I think that there's a real problem with people using 'Cunningham's Law' as a way to learn. It might be fine for that person (because they know their limits), but then anyone reading it could incorrectly quote that person as being right (because it wasn't corrected). These ideas are then duplicated and we get into a real mess where we can't differentiate widely held views vs the experts/most agreed upon view by experts.

In general, this can't be a way to move forward as a society if people just make stuff up.

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by notapenny on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:35PM (#25959948)
Just because people are replying to your take, doesn't mean they are narcissists. Its possible to look at an argument and engage it without being triggered. People that disagree with you are not automatically x-ists. Though it sure is easier to believe they are, since that way you don't need to consider the alternative.
Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by SirSavary on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @09:35AM (#26001375)
Wasn't my take -- just found it odd how many people wrote back as if they'd been personally attacked by the parent comment.
Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by SilasX on Friday January 29, 2021 @01:29PM (#25960595)
I don't think it's narcissism, I think it's the dynamic described in the SSC post, Weak Men Are Superweapons:

>>Alice said something along the lines of “I hate people who frivolously diagnose themselves with autism without knowing anything about the disorder. They should stop thinking they’re ‘so speshul’ and go see a competent doctor.”

>>Beth answered something along the lines of “I diagnosed myself with autism, but only after a lot of careful research. I don’t have the opportunity to go see a doctor. I think what you’re saying is overly strict and hurtful to many people with autism.”

>>Alice then proceeded to tell Beth she disagreed, in that special way only Tumblr users can. I believe the word “cunt” was used.

Alexander explains what's going on as:

>>Beth chose to stand up for the people who self- diagnosed autism without careful research. This wasn’t because she considered herself a member of that category. It was because she decided that self- diagnosed autistics were going to stand or fall as a group, and if Alice succeeded in pushing her “We should dislike careless self- diagnosees” angle, then the fact that she wasn’t careless wouldn’t save her.

>>Alice, for her part, didn’t bother bringing up that she never accused Beth of being careless, or that Beth had no stake in the matter. She saw no point in pretending that boxing in Beth and the other careful self- diagnosers in with the careless ones wasn’t her strategy all along.

https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Weak-Men-Are-Superwea...

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by snowwrestler on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:47AM (#25959307)
How dare you call me, specifically, a narcissist with this comment!

(But to be serious, I think it’s easy to accidentally take forum comments personally because the physical act of reading HN comments, social media DMs, and text messages are all basically the same. So maybe it’s easy for our emotions to get mixed up.)

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by SirSavary on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @09:38AM (#26001404)
Exactly this :) I should have used a word that carried less weight than "narcissist". Parent comment seemed like an obvious joke but it sucked most of the oxygen out of the thread.
Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by f430 on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:10PM (#25959642)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25954606

One really good example in that link is a user trying to claim that race & iq is the determining factor in economic outcome while dropping racial slurs as examples to justify racism against Asians and other groups that he thinks are ALL "wealthy" and "smart".

It's a great illustration of parent's comment. Taking an outdated model and then using it to justify his/her own skewed views. Sort of like how we use colour labels created by a Swedish pseudoscientist to reduce ethnicities to is being heralded as a great achievement.

Re:Statement of SEC Regarding Recent Market Volatility by e_tm_ on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:41AM (#25959219)
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