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Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by nilkn on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:44AM (#25890421)
> if your company is purely remote

Pure remote companies are likely to be rare. But we may see a proliferation of hybrid companies that maintain office spaces but allow certain roles to work remotely most of the time.

I think your analysis here is one-sided and is ignoring all the major problems with 100%-work-in-office cultures. Housing costs are absolutely out of control in major urban centers, and newcomers are sacrificed at the altar of NIMBYism in order to make existing homeowners/landowners wealthier. People are wasting away commuting hours a day. Folks have been getting crammed into denser and denser open floorplans and bullpens for years.

People are willing to put up with these things when they don't have any other options. But when other companies are investing in supporting hybrid environments and you're stuck still requiring people to relocate to San Francisco permanently, you're going to start losing talent. Not supporting some kind of hybrid remote policy is going to become a serious competitive disadvantage in the talent market. You can still maintain your trendy urban office space to attract the college graduates who want that lifestyle.

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by noir_lord on Sunday January 24, 2021 @04:00AM (#25890490)
> Pure remote companies are likely to be rare

They are, I work for one - it imposes challenges but in aggregate it is a vastly preferable way to work for me.

Interestingly the people who do well 100% remote are quite different to the people who well 100% in office.

Fundamentally the people who communicate the most effectively in written text and can concisely convey their thoughts/opinions do well.

I love it but I can completely understand why some people wouldn't.

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by icedchocolate on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:37AM (#25891242)
The commenter wasn’t talking about all people having to work at the office all of the time, merely that fully remote was not good and not favoured by young engineers. And he was spot on. I’m a young engineer in my 20s and if I don’t get in-person training soon (I started over a year ago and haven’t gotten any since we’ve been remote the entire time), I’m going to quit and go elsewhere. This is in spite of working in the best team of engineers in my city, working on an awesome problem. But I can’t sacrifice my career for their desire to work from home.
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by dudeman13 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:19AM (#25891785)
Seems like a problem with your team instead of a remove vs non-remote thing.

I'm a young programmer in my 20s and I get plenty of training working remotely.

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by nilkn on Sunday January 24, 2021 @10:57AM (#25893018)
You’re unlikely to find in-person training anywhere right now, so that would likely be a fool’s errand.

You need to speak with your manager about this. There’s a lot of social contact and training that can be created without being in the office. If you haven’t spoken up and are just stewing about it at home, your team may be oblivious you feel this way.

There’s also no reason to assume you’d have gotten more training in the office. Many teams simply do not invest enough in training and onboarding new engineers. It sounds like you’re new to the industry and possibly haven’t realized this is common yet. The good news is communication can often resolve this to some degree if not fully.

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by ameister14 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:21AM (#25891451)
The way you put it, it sounds like you're working with the best possible team you can - why would you be sacrificing your career to stay?

Wouldn't it be the other way around? Sacrificing your career for social contact?

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by throwaway3699 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:23AM (#25891814)
Social contact is essential to the development of one's career.

And to be honest, this might be a personal thing, but if a job isn't worth being in person for, then it's not worth pursuing at all. I know I'd much rather be with a few friends hacking projects together for pennies on the dollar than making 200k remote.

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by matwood on Sunday January 24, 2021 @09:11AM (#25892155)
> Social contact is essential to the development of one's career.

Agreed, except the biggest movers for my career have been social contacts made outside of work.

People incorrectly keep thinking about remote work only in a pandemic sense. Remote work doesn't mean zero social contact, it means more control over the social contact you have.

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by hahaxdxd123 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @04:13AM (#25890543)
Yep, there's no way any young person will want to stick in the Menlo Parks or Palo Altos of the world when there are companies with similar pay that will let them live wherever they want - whether that be dense urban cores, or small towns near national parks.

Frankly, I can't think of a single reason you would want to live in the South Bay. Even if you liked the lifestyle, you could find it in a sunnier suburb near Santa Barbara for a quarter of the price.

Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by anonytrary on Sunday January 24, 2021 @03:46AM (#25890432)
I think you may be misinterpreting me. I am not advocating for pure in-person, I am only advocating against pure remote. I believe a hybrid approach is best.
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by rorroe53 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @05:18AM (#25890845)
I agree, hybrid is definitely the best for most companies. Some in-person collaboration and socializing is always going to beneficial, even if rest of the work is done remotely. Having a long commute isn't that bad either if you only do it once or twice a week, so it gives people much more freedom over where they can live.
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by ghaff on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:51AM (#25891611)
Depends what long means. A 2 hour commute each way is still going to be that day you dread even if it's just once a week. What seems a more common scenario in my experience is that people get together for a few days meetings maybe once a month and people who aren't local fly in.
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by ahartmetz on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:10AM (#25891737)
If the meetings are scheduled appropriately, you can commute in and out outside rush hours, which should make it less dreadful. Especially if you are not required to be present for 8 hours on meeting day(s).
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by j4yav on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:44AM (#25891275)
GitLab seems to be doing ok, and they get together in person only once every 8 or 9 months. Or would you consider that hybrid also?
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by e9 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:49AM (#25892000)
One off examples don't set the trend. For example, holacracy seems to be working out for Valve but that's about it.
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by j4yav on Sunday January 24, 2021 @02:16PM (#25894849)
So the question is is GitLab an aberration or ahead of the curve? To me it feels like the latter but I admit I don't have evidence of what the future holds.
Re:Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf] by throw14082020 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @04:39AM (#25890664)
Well, your 2nd paragraph does imply no-remote. Your 3rd paragraph softens the stance.