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Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by chrisseaton on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:35PM (#25868012)
I don't get why range extenders aren't more popular. A little motorbike-size engine that you can fuel from any petrol station on the planet that can charge the battery overnight, not connected to the drive train and running at optimal RPM for the alternator.
Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:42PM (#25868053)
Because electricity is ubiquitous. It’s literally everywhere. Some states have mandated apartment complexes accompanied EV owners, and with the Biden administration, I expect federal standards in short order.

It’s a policy problem, not a technology problem. Tesla has deployed an enormous fast charging network on their own dime, so it’s reasonable more can be done faster with government support (including mandating and funding EV chargers for apartment dwellers).

No one wants to charge their EV from a Honda generator at their apartment complex. If you’re a Tesla owner in an apartment with no apartment parking EV charger access, you pop over to a Supercharger once a week (which, while suboptimal, is equivalent to gas stations until EV chargers are more widely available).

Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by chrisseaton on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:44PM (#25868062)
Is that an idealistic statement, or a practical one?

Yes an electricity supply is available everywhere most people would want. Practical charging facilities, however, are not.

I frequently find myself in situations where I can get petrol very easily but cannot practically plug in anywhere. With a range extender I could run a very efficient little engine and reduce my emissions today.

Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:51PM (#25868117)
My statements are pragmatic, based on the uptake of Tesla EVs in the marketplace versus consumers who want to drag a generator around with them to charge.
Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by chrisseaton on Thursday January 21, 2021 @10:58PM (#25868147)
I quite often drive beyond the range of an EV, to a place where there are no chargers at all. If I could just have a little range extender motor that I could put petrol in and use to charge overnight, I could fully commit to EVs right now forever. But I can't yet. That little bit of pragmatism would make it all work. It'd even fit in the front cargo space of a Tesla!
Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:03PM (#25868182)
But you can! Get a portable Honda generator [1] and plug into it with a mobile connector to charge (my Tesla can charge from a 120V 15a circuit, or a 220v dryer outlet). If that doesn’t provide you enough charge, find a surplus generator on a trailer [2] and haul it behind you with a hitch. If it’s a diesel, you can even run it on vegetable oil instead of petroleum.

When you’re not going to the boonies, you’re fully electric without dragging a generator with you, and can rely on charging stations.

[1] https://powerequipment.honda.com/generators

[2] https://www.ebay.com/b/Industrial-Trailer-Mounted-Generators...

Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by chrisseaton on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:06PM (#25868197)
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but this isn't a reasonably well packaged solution for people to use. What's the security of the generator sitting outside my car all night? It needs to be an integrated solution.
Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:10PM (#25868221)
I solved for your use case because it’s niche. People will either get a Prius or a Tesla, not this. Sorry I couldn’t be more help.
Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by chrisseaton on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:12PM (#25868228)
> People will either get a Prius or a Tesla, not this.

Now you've got it! People are demonstrably still going for the 'not this' option. They buy a petrol or diesel car instead of an electric one.

That's the problem.

Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:25PM (#25868318)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...

Scroll down to jurisdictions banning fossil fuel car sales. It’s a problem only until the government no longer allows you to buy a petrol vehicle. Canada’s ban starts in 2040, although I expect that to be pulled forward to align with other jurisdictions targeting 2030.

Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by chrisseaton on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:27PM (#25868323)
> It’s a problem only until the government no longer allows you to buy a petrol vehicle.

Right, you're nailing it - it's a problem today. A problem we could solve today. By popping a range extender under the (currently empty!) bonnet of a Tesla. Then everyone could get an EV, figure out how to make it work right now, and be ready for the way forward.

Don't think about what we could be doing by 2030 - think about what we could achieve right now!

And it's not just about petrol - don't fixate on when petrol is phased out - it's about diesel as well.

(An unrelated problem is that EVs need more form factors, such as off-road vehicles, which Teslas don't currently do.)

Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by jfengel on Friday January 22, 2021 @10:29AM (#25872441)
You just don't need it. It's solving a non-problem.

Tesla is selling all of the cars they can make, and the people simply don't find themselves experiencing the range anxiety they imagine they will. The vast majority of them just plug in their cars when they get home and never, ever think about going to a gas station. It's not about 30 minutes at a charger vs 5 minutes at a gas station; it's about 5 minutes at a gas station vs 0 minutes.

That's 99% of the trips taken in a Tesla. For 99% of the rest, there are superchargers.

So your range extender is a lot of extra machinery in an otherwise mostly solid-state device. To a Tesla owner, it just feels dirty, the way a gas station always feels grimy. It wouldn't help them sell any extra cars because the limiting factor on their sales is how fast they can build them.

They're scaling up, and by the time the gas cars are phased out, the entire system will have shifted. There will be even more superchargers and even more solid options for those 1% of 1% of trips that it won't suffice for.

Meantime, Tesla owners already spend less time than gas car owners fueling their cars, because it happens while they sleep. They don't need a mechanical solution because it's already solved.

Re:Toyota's game-changing solid-state battery en route for 2... by ianai on Friday January 22, 2021 @09:51AM (#25872070)
I agree. Those generators should also be optimized for optimal power output for exactly what the batteries need. It’d probably be more efficient than a larger engine in a traditional machine.

Mazda is working on a model with a range extender. BMW just took them out of their models, but they’re not quite the same segment.