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Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by Consultant32452 on Thursday January 21, 2021 @04:53PM (#25864906)
I think a big part of this is accepting Amazon's claims as fact, which I would not. For example, Amazon claims Parler was not moderating when in fact Parler had some pretty strict moderation enforcement. One could make an argument of whether or not it was successful "enough" and you'd have to compare it to other industry leaders like Facebook and Twitter which both have copious amounts of child pornography, calls for violence, etc.

What I've seen is basically some screenshots of some bad posts, which doesn't tell me anything about what was really going on in a very large and complex system.

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by DonHopkins on Thursday January 21, 2021 @07:07PM (#25866498)
Parler had some pretty strict moderation enforcement against progressive views, just not against racism, death threats, and successfully planning violent insurrections against the government.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-wa...

Filing: Amazon warned Parler for months about “more than 100” violent threats

[...] Amazon provided "more than 100 additional representative pieces of content" advocating violence on Parler over the following seven weeks, the company said. Another document in the filing (PDF, also with content warning for racial slurs and threats of violence) lays out dozens of examples of posts Amazon reported to Parler, beginning in mid-December. Those posts call for, among other things: killing a specific transgender person; actively wishing for a race war and the murder of Black and Jewish people; and killing several activists and politicians such as Stacey Abrams, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), and former President Barack Obama.

Exhibit D (contains racial slurs, etc):

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664...

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by Consultant32452 on Thursday January 21, 2021 @08:17PM (#25867016)
I addressed those claims in my last paragraph.
Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by user-the-name on Friday January 22, 2021 @04:59AM (#25870153)
If by "addressed" you mean "mentioned and ignored", then yes.
Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by Consultant32452 on Friday January 22, 2021 @01:56PM (#25874814)
Here is Twitter failing to protect a sex trafficked child despite multiple written requests. Twitter just signed a very big contract with AWS.

https://uncoverdc.com/2021/01/21/doe-v-twitter-twitter-fails...

Come back to me when AWS drops Twitter's new contract. Then we'll talk about whether or not Twitter has any moderation. We'll discuss whether Twitter is designed specifically to facilitate child trafficking. And every other formulation of this narrative.

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by DonHopkins on Saturday January 23, 2021 @08:17PM (#25887855)
Nobody's going to "come back to you" because you're just trolling, not arguing in good faith, so nobody takes you seriously.
Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by watwut on Friday January 22, 2021 @03:21AM (#25869586)
The issue there is not that those messages existed somewhere hidden on the platform. It is that Amazon found them and told about them to Parler. Parler refused or was unable to take them down.

The issue is not that someone somwhere posted something bad and Parler merely failed to notice. The issue Amazon claims is that Parler had not done even bare minimum - taking down few dozens of posts that Amazon told them about.

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by DonHopkins on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:38PM (#25868364)
I saw a lot more than screenshots.

I saw a violent insurrection against the US government unfold on live TV, incited by Trump himself, with the goal of overthrowing the results of a fair election, armed sedition justified by disproven lies, which was planned and promoted and published in real time on Parler.

I also saw a map of the GPS data from Parler users who posted live videos and photos of themselves storming the US Capitol and murdering a police officer and attempting to murder Vice President Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

So yeah, there's a lot more evidence than screen snapshots that you're conspicuously ignoring.

https://gizmodo.com/parler-users-breached-deep-inside-u-s-ca...

Parler Users Breached Deep Inside U.S. Capitol Building, GPS Data Shows

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by Consultant32452 on Friday January 22, 2021 @11:47AM (#25873262)
Great. Now provide the same analysis for Twitter, Facebook, iMessage, etc. The livestreams I watched which were streamed from within the WhiteHouse during the event were all on Periscope (Twitter).

I have no doubt that some Parler users went into the White House. I haven't seen any evidence that Parler had no moderation. I haven't seen any evidence that Parler was any different than Facebook or Twitter with regard to users planning illegal/violent acts, making violent comments, etc.

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by DonHopkins on Saturday January 23, 2021 @08:20PM (#25887899)
You haven't earned the right or respect for me to bother proving anything to you, since you're obviously a troll arguing in bad faith. None of your replies to anyone even bothered to address the points they raised to counter your frivolous arguments. You're as non-sensical and delusional as any of Trump's supporters. The Gish Gallop doesn't work here. Give it up, buddy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by nobody9999 on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:31PM (#25868340)
Whether or not your (that is Parler's) statements or Amazon's statements are correct are issues of fact to be adjudicated in the litigation.

From a practical standpoint, your opinion (and mine for that matter, which I haven't expressed for this reason) is irrelevant.

As such, it seems to me that all we can really say is that the judge's refusal to grant the TRO (given the tests[0] applied in deciding such things) while not dismissing the case outright, isn't a positive development for Parler.

Further, the judge's ruling appears to have questioned the legal basis for Parler's claims. That doesn't bode well for them either.

All that said, claiming that one side or the other is factually correct without having all the evidence seems both biased and premature.

I'll wait until the truth comes out. Because in the end, it always does.

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_65

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by chevill on Friday January 22, 2021 @01:24AM (#25868987)
The document states that Parler agreed they had a massive backlog of reported content to review that "potentially promoted violence". Even Parler isn't making the claim here that they were doing a good job of moderating. They are arguing that it was a breach of contract not to give them more time to fix it.

There's plenty of reason to be skeptical about lots of things. There's plenty of reasons to dislike mainstream social media companies and the large companies that do business with them. But not everything is a conspiracy.

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by visarga on Friday January 22, 2021 @05:13AM (#25870230)
> it was a breach of contract not to give them more time to fix it

spoken as if there is just one cloud hosting provider in the world; it's parlers job to take care of their own security and resilience

Let's say I call Jim's taxi every day, I am his client, and one day Jim refuses to serve me, can I sue him or should I just call another taxi?

Re:Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down by chevill on Friday January 22, 2021 @05:14PM (#25876958)
Not sure what you're getting at here. I wasn't supporting Parler's lawsuit. I'm simply responding to the parent comment that was claiming that Parler has good moderation.