Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App
by est31 on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @06:12PM
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It's not just about devs getting older and busier, but also about networks becoming openly hostile towards third party client implementations. There used to be a healthy ecosystem of Whatsapp client libraries, but they have gotten takedowns, and their users bans. Eventually people give up. Some few individuals build third party implementations but keep them secret so that there is no retribution (I remember reading about a guy blogging about a self made iMessage client).
Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App
by Arathorn on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @06:17PM
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Thankfully the EU is moving rapidly towards making that sort of behaviour illegal, which as a knock-on effect should improve the situation for the world in general. https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro...
Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App
by kpgiskpg on Thursday January 21, 2021 @05:34AM
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This looks awesome! I wonder why I haven't heard about it before.
Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App
by LockAndLol on Thursday January 21, 2021 @11:57AM
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I think we all know which gatekeepers are going to land on the list and how happy they'll be to be on it. If this does more than just create a list and actually punishes gatekeepers for bad practices, I'll be impressed.
Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App
by visarga on Friday January 22, 2021 @07:25AM
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It's like net neutrality but for gatekeepers. They can't abuse their position.
Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App
by rorykoehler on Saturday January 23, 2021 @01:04PM
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This is a great start
Between 2000-2003, I worked on components of the cross protocol IM backend used by many of the multi-protocol messengers back in the early to mid 2000s (eg: Adium, Trillian, Fire, Ayttm, and more). Each of the frontends had different ways to integrate. Trillian used 2 processes with TCP communication between them to get around the GPL licensed backend), Fire, Adium, Ayttm released everything under the GPL.
Eventually most clients moved to using libpurple as the backend (developed by the team behind Gaim), but the devs also started getting older, busier, and having other responsibilities outside of work. The only apps to survive were those that had a business model that allowed them to reuse open source code without having to release any of the code they developed themselves.
I personally stopped working on instant messaging in April 2004, the night before I became a Yahoo employee, though I continued blogging and doing conference talks about the experience:
- https://tech.bluesmoon.info/2004/09/fallback-messaging.html
- https://tech.bluesmoon.info/2011/05/story-of-george-ayttms-m...
- https://tech.bluesmoon.info/2010/11/stream-of-collaboration-...