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Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App by acct776 on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @01:46PM (#25850255)
Was XMPP improved at that time?

Or a mess of nonstandard addons/plugins that you had to match up, like mods in a multiplayer videogame?

Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App by pseudalopex on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:23PM (#25850722)
They said XMPP improved afterward. The point is a combined effort would be in better shape than XMPP or Matrix now.

The problem with XMPP was every client implemented different parts of the standard. The problem with Matrix is every client implements different parts of the standard.[1]

[1] https://matrix.org/clients-matrix

Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App by acct776 on Thursday January 21, 2021 @12:27PM (#25861438)
Not being able to share Rick and Morty stickers or have a group call is fine to miss out on.

Having to choose from multiple encryption addons to get started even chatting, that's not a comparable experience.

I miss XMPP, but it's time to let go.

Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App by Semaphor on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @01:51PM (#25850308)
Close. It’s a mess of standard addons/plugins that you have to match up, like mods in a multiplayer videogame.

Sadly for me, it’s also the only modern messenger that has decent desktop clients that don’t look like discord. But I guess that this will never change as I seem to be pretty lonely with my want of those.

Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App by dijit on Thursday January 21, 2021 @04:44AM (#25857161)
The solution was nearly always to create golden packages which could be summarised.

XMPP v1 server could be just XMPP itself.

A v2 client/server includes packages for OMEMO, Websocket, Resumeable connections

A v3 client/server has packages for whatever else becomes the de jour.

The idea that you can just mix and match without ever standardising on a set of capabilities was a large part of what killed XMPP and was entirely solvable.

Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App by MattJ100 on Thursday January 21, 2021 @05:20AM (#25857394)
This is what happens. Compliance suites are published annually: https://xmpp.org/about/compliance-suites.html
Re:Show HN: Beeper – All Your Chats in One App by Semaphor on Thursday January 21, 2021 @01:52PM (#25862523)
This is either barely getting used or not used enough (or maybe too hidden). Because I had only seen single XEP lists for both clients and servers I looked at.