Re:Have we already been visited by aliens?
by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @03:16PM
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> Loeb is right about one thing: the notion of "extraordinary evidence" is very destructive. Evidence is evidence.
I agree with pretty much everything you're saying except this. Though I still do agree with this a bit. It seems like a shorthand for "be bayesian" that's unfortunately taken too far too frequently. But if I have a strong prior one way or another, I will need stronger evidence to turn me around.
+1 on your main point though. Why can't more people be more comfortable in a state of uncertainty ;_;
Re:Have we already been visited by aliens?
by userulluipeste on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @08:07PM
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There are things (think of Higgs boson type) that lie on the limit of observability/detection, for which there isn't any guarantee that there will ever be means strong enough to qualify for the same level of rigorous study as most of the scientists are comfortable with. The easiest thing to do is to draw a line and to dismiss everything that goes beyond it. The smarter thing to do (in my view) is to recognize the decrease of control and accuracy in our means and classify the fields of study accordingly, then both asking and granting different levels of trust to what is being studied.
Re:Have we already been visited by aliens?
by ncmncm on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @05:03PM
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Few things in science are more subjective than the relative importance of a piece of evidence.
It is not at all unusual for a key measurement to be wrong, but also not unusual to trust the wrong one.
Re:Have we already been visited by aliens?
by LargoLasskhyfv on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @10:38PM
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Re:Have we already been visited by aliens?
by ncmncm on Thursday January 21, 2021 @12:56AM
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From the article > A study of when different geologists accepted plate tectonics found that older scientists actually adopted it sooner than younger scientists.
But the paper cited refers, instead, to the relative safety of the tenured professors to speak out in favor of plate tectonics, vs. the younger researchers who knew that would be, as we say, career-limiting.
Re:Have we already been visited by aliens?
by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday January 21, 2021 @01:38AM
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Reminds me of Roger Penrose and Carver Mead.
It is possible that it's aliens. It is possible that it's not. We don't have enough evidence even to estimate probabilities, so anything further is pure speculation. Speculation is a look that wears no better on conservatives than on radicals.
There is hardly a field to be found where young radicals are not promoting evidence for what the tenured consider anathema, waiting for the latter to retire or die and get the hell out of the way. As Max Planck said, "Science advances one funeral at a time."
It is common to insist that the right idea wins in the end, but there is no reason to believe it: every case you can cite in its favor amounts to confirmation bias. The frequency of such examples that first languished for decades, with the original proposer driven from the field, would properly make us suspect that the majority of their also-correct peers remain unvindicated, however many false leads have been exposed. (Hypotheses promoted by women driven from a field make a rich vein of ideas to vindicate.)
Loeb is right about one thing: the notion of "extraordinary evidence" is very destructive. Evidence is evidence. It is always easy to make greater demands on evidence you don't like than on evidence you do, and always easy find excuses to discount evidence incompatible with the consensus of the moment. Every field, to be considered legitimate, should maintain an officially taught compendium of "damned facts", evidence that seems to be incompatible with one or more leading theories. Even when a consensus theory is largely correct, the damned evidence will be the basis of any progress.
Nature doesn't play favorites: it is possible for a consensus theory and all its challengers to be wrong. Evidence against one of the latter is not evidence in favor of the former.