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Re:New measurements of the sky's blackness by tsimionescu on Monday January 18, 2021 @06:55AM (#25820830)
Well, if the aliens exist outside our light hyper-cone (that is, by definitio, any kind of information from them has never reached and will never reach any piece of information we create) then it is the same.

However, if any aliens have lived or will live anywhere in the visible universe, then that is something we could at least in theory confirm our deny at some point, so it is not the same.

It's also important to remember that time is relative - that is, that events in far away places don't happen at a definite time compared to those happening here. That makes their existence different to me than what we normally think of as existence.

Existence has two senses anyway - one is the empirically verifiable bottom of existence that science can work with: this is the one I was referring to.

The other is a philosophical notion of existence that is harder to pin down. In this sense, God may well exist, the nultiverse with many big bangs may be real, infinity may be real etc. But it is impossible right now to make any kind of scientific arguments about these things, so they can only exist outside the realm of science (as we know it today).

Re:New measurements of the sky's blackness by pvorb on Monday January 18, 2021 @04:04PM (#25826603)
You introduced "will never" to this argument here. Neither me nor parent comments said that being visible today or in the past has anything to do with being visible in the future.

I would argue that science is about a core of what is considered proven and thus is true, as well as topics that are currently discussed and a large amount of knowledge that still has to be discovered. And I think these galaxies that are invisible today might be in the latter category - if they exist at all. But I wouldn't rule out their existence unnecessarily. In a few years, due to advances in technology, it could be possible to "discover" (or rather estimate) far more galaxies than what is proposed in this study.

Just because mankind in the middle ages had never seen Pluto doesn't mean it didn't exist back then.

Re:New measurements of the sky's blackness by tsimionescu on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @07:32AM (#25832853)
The thing is, given the accelerating expansion of space in every point, it is likely, as I understand, that light from any star distant enough that it hasn't reached us yet will in fact never reach us.