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Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by bitcurious on Sunday January 17, 2021 @12:49PM (#25812915)
There’s a lot of talk in this thread of whether Jones is a data scientist or not, but that talk is missing something crucial - it doesn’t take a data scientist to assemble basic reports about infection rates and mortality. Little to none of what differentiates “data scientist” from “data analyst” or “statistician” is involved in these reports. There is no massive data, no black-box modeling, really no new statistics at all - this stuff is well defined, except for the data itself.

The main choice points are around specific decisions with regards to how interpret messy data. Those decisions require domain expertise and a deep familiarity with how various public agencies in Florida work. Perhaps Jones has that expertise, perhaps she doesn’t. A title of “data scientists” doesn’t change that.

Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by ineedasername on Sunday January 17, 2021 @01:09PM (#25813124)
Excellent point. And important to remember that her claims really circle around interpretation.

Measuring her claims really requires knowledges of how the state made its interpretation. If those interpretations don't correspond to how most other data outside of Florida is counted, then there is a problem.

This is why data transparency is so important: Accurately understanding regional and nation trends can help inform where resources are dedicated and how the virus spreads.

Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by temp8964 on Sunday January 17, 2021 @03:32PM (#25814652)
Right now, she is apparently an activist. There is nothing wrong with being an activist. However, IMHO, being a "data scientist" is inherently incompatible with being an activist. No matter how qualified you were, once you became a passionate activist, you are no longer a "data scientist" or a "data analyst" or a "statistician" on the topic. Again, there is nothing wrong with being an activist, but you can't be both. I feel this is so obvious that requires no further explanation, but I might get massive downvotes for saying this.
Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by dr_dshiv on Sunday January 17, 2021 @04:43PM (#25815273)
I'm an activist about childhood poverty and education. This makes its way into my data science work because I pursue projects and analyses that allow me to understand how poverty affects education progress. I often explicitly state my biases, because I am sure my interpretation of data is colored by my pre-existing beliefs. Yet, I often discover analyses that I wouldn't otherwise have considered due to my beliefs — and I have integrity — I continually update my beliefs based on data. So, on one hand I agree that being an activist can bias one's interpretation of data, but I also think that the biases can be essential for generating useful hypotheses to guide analysis.
Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by dwild on Sunday January 17, 2021 @07:10PM (#25816691)
> I feel this is so obvious that requires no further explanation, but I might get massive downvotes for saying this.

... you won't explain why you believe this and then complains that no explaining it will get you downvote?

You are aware that to be able to contest your logic, we need to be aware of your logic, right?

Okay so I'll make a guess, the fact that they defends a cause, their bias might affect how they present data? Is that why you believe they can't be a data scientist? That's a pretty naïve view of the world sadly. The fact that someone doesn't act like an activist, doesn't make them unbiased sadly. The only thing that it change is how aware you are from a potential bias.

Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by tomnipotent on Sunday January 17, 2021 @04:00PM (#25814907)
> being a "data scientist" is inherently incompatible with being an activist

This is just silly. So if a medical doctor becomes an activist on diabetes, they're no longer a medical doctor?

Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by temp8964 on Sunday January 17, 2021 @04:10PM (#25814993)
when did I mention "medical doctor"?
Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by tomnipotent on Sunday January 17, 2021 @04:12PM (#25815008)
Based on your logic of "if X can no longer be Y". Or are only statisticians/analysts somehow effected by this?
Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by temp8964 on Sunday January 17, 2021 @04:22PM (#25815085)
wow.
Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by manicdee on Sunday January 17, 2021 @08:03PM (#25817058)
You didn't support your argument with any explanation, so there's no room for "wow" non-statements when people interpret your argument in a way that you don't understand.

Your argument appeared to be that someone who is an activist can't also have a role that requires discipline and focus while interpreting messy data. In that case, there's no difference between that person being a data scientist or a medical professional.

Do you care to expand on your argument, and perhaps provide support as to why, for example, it's okay for a medical professional to also be an activist but not for a data scientist or tax accountant? Where's the line, and why?

Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by swirepe on Sunday January 17, 2021 @08:42PM (#25817283)
I think they were saying that scientists who work around politicized topics are disregarded as scientists when they do any activism.
Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by ZoomerCretin on Sunday January 17, 2021 @03:42PM (#25814740)
Feeling that something requires no explanation is a rationalization for not having any explanation.
Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by Strongylodon on Monday January 18, 2021 @09:16AM (#25821968)
Can you please define activism for me, in your own words?

I'd hate to try to utilize my legally protected free expression rights, but accidentally do activism instead, so any tips or tricks you have would be greatly appreciated.

Re:Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebek... by bsder on Sunday January 17, 2021 @07:15PM (#25816729)
> Right now, she is apparently an activist.

And?

First, just because you are an activist doesn't mean you deserve to have cops point guns at your kids. That smacks of harassment.

Second, the charges keep mutating. The wrongdoing should be what was in the warrant. That smacks of harassment.

Third, Florida leadership has been diddling with the official numbers so continuously throughout the entire epidemic that it has lost all credibility.

The Bayesian priors suggest taking what DeSantis and Co are saying with extreme skepticism.

Especially since if Rebekah Jones were really wrong, they just wouldn't care about her at all.