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Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by hugh3 on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @05:18PM (#2581702)
I don't want to put words into anyone else's mouth here, but if anyone ever made and wore a t-shirt containing a frequency count of the words in stuff I'd written, then I'd find it kinda creepy and weird.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @06:32PM (#2581968)
You can always buy a mug instead...
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by sgentle on Wednesday May 25, 2011 @01:21AM (#2582993)
I think finding out someone had made a t-shirt tribute to my writing would be what they call "a good problem to have".
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by kylec on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:54PM (#2581611)
A few years ago I made a similar word cloud of his essays using Wordle:

http://i.imgur.com/akCnD.png

I've often thought it would make a good shirt or book cover.

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by bhickey on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @05:41PM (#2581777)
That's really attractive. Did you automate the layout and color assignments?

(Mmm! Even the font makes me happy! 'something people want')

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by kylec on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @08:18PM (#2582317)
That's all Wordle. I did tweak the settings so it would look good (not sure why the defaults look so bad). The colors themselves don't mean anything, they just make the resulting cloud look good.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by AndyKelley on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:59PM (#2581379)
If I could use one word to describe that design, it would be "tasteful."
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:13PM (#2581441)
Thanks!
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by leif on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:26PM (#2581214)
Sort of off topic, but I wonder if you can copyright or otherwise do something legalish with specific word frequency distributions. It's not nearly enough information to, say, reconstruct a corpus, but it's often sufficient information to identify someone with precision (so I've heard, anyway).
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:37PM (#2581275)
I studied these issues a lot (copyright, right of publicity, etc), and I think this particular use is fine. You are right that sometimes it is easy to figure out the text from the cloud, just like you can make out a famous photo from a very small 10x10 thumbnail, or draw Mona Lisa in 50 polygons http://rogeralsing.com/2008/12/07/genetic-programming-evolut... or as a single tweet http://www.flickr.com/photos/quasimondo/3518306770/
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by peterarmstrong on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:45PM (#2581309)
It may or may not be fine, but my guess is that calling your Zazzle shop y-combinator is a bit much. Yes it's a generic term, but out of courtesy you should probably rename it to something like pgfan or something that indicates that you're not somehow "official"...
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:50PM (#2581346)
This is actually the "Tagxedo" shop in Zazzle, and the category is called "Y Combinator".

The link goes to http://www.tagxedo.com/shop/y-combinator so this is also Tagxedo shop Y Combinator category. It's clearly stated that this is a tribute. I don't think I used language that is misleading, but I'll triple check.

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by leif on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:43PM (#2581555)
Oh I didn't mean that at all, it just brought up a question I thought was interesting.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by absconditus on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:52PM (#2581353)
Now HN only needs its own memes and its transformation to reddit 2 will be complete.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by carbocation on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:45PM (#2581568)
This is actually a remarkable promo for tagxedo that is merely using community self interest as its entrée into our awareness.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by absconditus on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:56PM (#2581617)
How is that a justification for making HN more jejune?
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by carbocation on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @05:19PM (#2581703)
What part of my brief statement read like a justification?
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by jhpriestley on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @07:41PM (#2582178)
HN already has its own memes... "We are better than Reddit because we don't have memes or sarcasm and are super adult and reasonable" is a big one.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by AndyKelley on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @08:01PM (#2582246)
I think that's a theme, not a meme.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by rfrey on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @09:14PM (#2582475)
Could be, but "one step closer to reddit with each passing hour" is a meme.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by jmonegro on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:01PM (#2581389)
Better build my own MVP?
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by mdwrigh2 on Wednesday May 25, 2011 @02:47AM (#2583155)
I always just wanted the ycombinator on a shirt, and spreadshirt looked easy enough to use so I gave it a shot. Here's what turned out: http://wright.spreadshirt.com/men-s-heavyweight-t-shirt-A757...

I'd highly recommend spreadshirt by the way. The site was incredibly easy to use to create the shirt and storefront, and if the shirt quality is anything like the American Apparel shirts I own, it should be very good quality shirts as well.

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by edw on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:44PM (#2581563)
Do I get Birkenstocks and a fresh pair of socks if I join this cult?
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by earbitscom on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:38PM (#2581280)
I think it's awesome. Very cool.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:41PM (#2581293)
Thanks!
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by ajju on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @08:32PM (#2582364)
I see most of "Make something people want" but none of "Relentlessly Resourceful". If I were making a YC T-shirt that's what I would put on it.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by invalidOrTaken on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @11:15PM (#2582706)
I've always wondered how this is actually done, algorithm-wise. Can someone more knowledgeable give me a link, or at least a google search term?
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by buildorfail on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:10PM (#2581428)
wow that is super cool. what did you use to make that?
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:12PM (#2581437)
I use Tagxedo to make this.

http://www.tagxedo.com

Perhaps I should rephrase:

I made Tagxedo so I can make this :D

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by ivankirigin on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:21PM (#2581192)
Why not just make an actual essay into a t-shirt? The instapaper logo is a merlin mann essay, for example.

Sorry to be blunt, but word clouds are just ε over meaningless.

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:31PM (#2581238)
To each his own.

I see it as an art, and I wouldn't say art is meaningless. Perhaps you want to check out https://www.facebook.com/tagxedo to see some more examples. It's much more than a blob of tags arranged in some random order to "help" navigation (that might be a bit cliche).

Some of my favorites:

http://daily.tagxedo.com/may-20-linkedin-rockets-skyward-in-...

http://daily.tagxedo.com/may-16-space-shuttle-endeavour-blas...

http://daily.tagxedo.com/march-23-faster-much-improved-firef...

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by revolvingcur on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @09:12PM (#2582469)
Where's "it turns out"?
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by yumraj on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @06:42PM (#2582000)
No offense, and call me a cynic, but I don't think this would get you into YC.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @07:24PM (#2582128)
Not meant to.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by MenaMena123 on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:49PM (#2581336)
I think its a great design coming from a designer myself, but I'm no lawyer and I don't think you can be making money off someones logo or brand. I dont think you need to be a lawyer to know that either.

Plain and simple, would you want to create a startup and someone make tshirts and make money off your brand or logo?

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:11PM (#2581432)
Like I said in the other comment, I did study this issue (to understand under what condition I can offer Tagxedo to users and when I can sell Tagxedo artworks).

Use of the logo design is fine. The use of the entire essay with distillation of selected words is definitely fair use (very transformative). The word "Y Combinator" is ... generic, but I'd buy that this is subject to debate (and yes I did refer to pg's YC not the math term). OTOH I can argue that this is really a commentary of YC so ...

And I didn't do this out of profit motive. It is first and foremost a tribute. Second, Tagxedo as an entrepreneurial venture is partially inspired by pg and YC. Third, I spent several hours to process the text and come up with the best design (much more than I usually do). Unless somehow boatloads of orders come in, I don't see how I can break even time-wise (which I already knew before I started).

I offer Tagxedo for free and many kids love it. Teachers told me that Tagxedo opens their eyes, seeing words and languages not as boring, but fun and artsy. If there is a any hint of profit motive it is to perhaps allow me to justify continuing to offer Tagxedo to everyone for free.

That said, I might take it down if I get a C&D from Paul Graham and associates. I wouldn't mind if pg takes this and run with it (sans Zazzle), adding to the famed gray and black T-shirts :D

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by MenaMena123 on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:25PM (#2581489)
Yea I understand where your coming from with the Tagxedo (which is really cool, minus the copyright issues that could arise), but putting it on Zazzle would be debatable. Not my debate.

Regardless, if its not made for profit, after one sale its profit. I mean its really cool and I'm not one to care about all the legal crap, but someone does at times.

As far as your break even it doesn't matter if its not your brand your working on. I can spend months designing something a court wont care if its not mine in the first place.

I wouldn't really worry about it.

I really think its cool, but I was just stating some matters.

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:31PM (#2581515)
Appreciate. I agree that anytime I sell something I need to face the legal ramification, no matter how small the profit (or the nature of the profit). Any time a person uses someone else's property, even if it is fair use, there is the chance that it'll get messy. In fact the US copyright law almost answers the question of fair use by saying "it depends".

So I understood what you said and thanks for your feedback.

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:21PM (#2581464)
| Plain and simple, would you want to create a startup and someone make tshirts and make money off your brand or logo?

On second thought, actually this is not a bad idea. If you are a startup and you want to make cool T-shirts or posters about your company, Tagxedo would be a great option. It would be a form of marketing. Anyone interested please contact me. Examples of company logos as Tagxedoes (all from Daily Tagxedo):

LinkedIn http://daily.tagxedo.com/may-20-linkedin-rockets-skyward-in-...

Skype http://daily.tagxedo.com/may-11-microsoft-buys-skype-for-85b

Intel http://daily.tagxedo.com/may-5-intel-unveils-impressive-3d-t...

Color http://daily.tagxedo.com/march-25-prelaunched-social-app-col...

Of course I can't arbitrarily "profit" off brands - I do need to honor various rights.

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by MenaMena123 on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:28PM (#2581498)
I think its a great option if the company approves of it.
Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by shii on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:34PM (#2581526)
The logo is CC Attribution 2.5[1]. I'm not sure what the status of his essays are. His site has (c) Paul Graham, so I'm not sure what's up there.

[1]: http://apps.ycombinator.com/item?id=2233123

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @06:23PM (#2581923)
A fair use of a copyright piece of material.
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Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by arkitaip on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @03:34PM (#2581252)
Transform T-shirt into V-neck ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzcN_7xj3hk

Re:Show HN: I Made this Y Combinator T-Shirt (Words from PG'... by HardyLeung on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @04:26PM (#2581490)
You can actually change to other styles (sweetshirt, baby apparel, etc). Not sure V-neck is an option though.