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Re:Oldest known cave painting found in Indonesia by TaylorAlexander on Saturday January 16, 2021 @03:44PM (#25805331)
Idk about others but Elon’s stated goal for settling Mars is to keep a second seed for humanity if Earth is somehow destroyed. Elon isn’t going to Mars for its appeal as a habitat directly, but because it can serve as a backup for humanity. It also makes other exploration of the solar system more likely as the ships needed to support Mars can also bring humans to the Jovian system etc.
Re:Oldest known cave painting found in Indonesia by refactor_master on Saturday January 16, 2021 @05:31PM (#25806154)
So you’re telling me a) there’s going to be a self-sustaining colony on Mars, b) they’re happy to be there, and c) they’ll also be happy to leave their cozy colony behind to come rebuild Earth that was somehow wrecked so badly that human civilization has been wiped out?

This to me seems like an immense number of mental hoops, when you can’t even make people wear a piece of cloth over their face literally for the sake of humanity.

Re:Oldest known cave painting found in Indonesia by TaylorAlexander on Saturday January 16, 2021 @08:13PM (#25807141)
Yes I think that if SpaceX succeeds with Starship and starts building the colony as they hope, that 50-200 years from now the settlement would be at least partially self sustainable (can self sustain in an emergency).

There are many reasons an independent settlement makes sense. Earth could get stalled in political deadlock, have a nuclear war, or fall under the control of autocratic regimes.

But there are direct benefits to humanity even without these worst case scenarios. Independent thought and political control at a time when the countries on earth become ever more intertwined (China’s Belt and Road) will probably serve some benefit in our future.

And then regular rockets between Earth and Mars would pave the way for asteroid mining, which would allow construction of massive solar energy harvesters.

That’s 200-500 years out but if we’re capable of starting now I’m not opposed to folks trying!

Re:Oldest known cave painting found in Indonesia by tsimionescu on Saturday January 16, 2021 @04:06PM (#25805502)
What do you think could possibly happen to the Earth that would make it as un-inhabitable as Mars?

Even an asteroid strike in the middle of a nuclear war wouldn't come anywhere close.

Re:Oldest known cave painting found in Indonesia by TaylorAlexander on Saturday January 16, 2021 @08:04PM (#25807110)
I’m not sure, but I don’t just mean physically destroyed but perhaps engaged in a new world war or ruled by autocrats. Either place could become that but if it happens to Earth it could set back human progress hundreds of years. It would be nice to have some more distant human thought, I think, with a broader view on existence than those of us here.

I think there are benefits to an independent settlement beyond physical destruction. In any case I’m saying Musk isn’t going there because it’s full of resources as was suggested up thread. He’s going there for the long term benefits to humanity he believes it will achieve. If you want to get rich in space mine asteroids. Which will probably become more viable if Mars colony ships ever routinely travel between Earth and Mars.

Re:Oldest known cave painting found in Indonesia by jacquesm on Sunday January 17, 2021 @01:55AM (#25808757)
And even then Earth would be much more habitable than Mars will ever be.

Elon Musk may end up going to Mars, I don't think after the last decade anybody will bet against that. He could very well be this generations Neil Armstrong in being the first person to set foot on another planet. Which would be a stupendous achievement in and of itself, even if he dies in the attempt to land there itself.

But after that he'll either die there anyway when his resources run out or he'll run right back to mamma earth assuming they can manage to resupply their fuel and make it back here somehow.

Re:Oldest known cave painting found in Indonesia by tsimionescu on Sunday January 17, 2021 @04:40AM (#25809448)
Even then - if the Earth were completely taken over by autocrats, it would still be easier to construct and defend an impenetrable fort on Earth than it would be to construct one on Mars - else the autocrats controlling the Earth would easily conquer (or destroy) Mars as well.

Now, if we were to think of a colony ship or a colony on a distant planet light years away, that would make some sense, but that is probably a project for the year 5000, not 2000.