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Re:Bumble S-1 by actuator on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:30PM (#25794278)
Although I agree with the sentiment, it is harsh to say this.

I am in my 20s as well and can see where he is coming from. I have not gone out on dates this past year and it feels bad. 20s are the prime dating years, it feels like a year was taken out where I aged but my life hasn't moved.

To make things worse, the whole staying at your home thing has made the desire of having a relationship even more strong as the alone periods do hit you hard.

Though to put things in perspective, a lot of people had it way worse than just their dating life/travel being disrupted.

Re:Bumble S-1 by kjakm on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:39PM (#25794426)
I understand - I'm also in my 20's. It sucks. A lot. But we're not the only people having to sacrifice and hopefully things get back to normal soon! It's tough but I don't think anyone will regret doing the right thing and hopefully we'll appreciate life a bit more afterwards.
Re:Bumble S-1 by actuator on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:43PM (#25794502)
Yeah, I agree. I think we are going to see changes in dating attitudes after this. At least in my circle of friends and extended circle, I have seen the desire for serious relationships go stronger in this period. Also, the appreciation for family for those who were able to live with them.
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Re:Bumble S-1 by soledades on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:43PM (#25795334)
I guess if you had everyone rate the relative worth of each year of their lives and the effect of lockdown on that value, the maximizing strategy would be probably be no lockdown.

The thing is though that those later years of people’s life are often worth very much to those around them.

For instance, what about a four year old whose primary caretaker is their grandmother? Four is a precious year with an outsize effect on the trajectory of someone’s life. The calculations are not so simple then.

Re:Bumble S-1 by dsr_ on Friday January 15, 2021 @04:31PM (#25796802)
Imagine sacrificing the fun of our youths in order to prevent them from acquiring and carrying a disease which is currently infecting half a million people per day in the USA and has now killed more than 330,000 people. Long term effects on people who get it but survive are not known... but may include heart/lung damage and, hey, erectile dysfunction.

(New Zealand, you go ahead and enjoy yourselves. Remember to use protection.)

Re:Bumble S-1 by philsnow on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:55PM (#25795495)
It really looks like you're comparing the lives of human beings to young people having fun. What's the exchange rate?

Should we remove the laws about driving while intoxicated? That's just another form of reckless endangerment that leads to loss of life.

Re:Bumble S-1 by tomp on Friday January 15, 2021 @04:05PM (#25796480)
Should we be driving at all? After all, every second spent driving a car is equivalent to you killing someone with a low probability.
Re:Bumble S-1 by jdminhbg on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:03PM (#25795589)
> It really looks like you're comparing the lives of human beings to young people having fun. What's the exchange rate?

It's the Quality-Adjusted Life Year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year

Re:Bumble S-1 by philsnow on Friday January 15, 2021 @06:26PM (#25798023)
yikes, that's chilling.

> The method of ranking interventions on grounds of their cost per QALY gained ratio (or ICER) is controversial because it implies a quasi-utilitarian calculus to determine who will or will not receive treatment.

Re:Bumble S-1 by jdminhbg on Friday January 15, 2021 @07:57PM (#25798776)
Hardly chilling. Simply pretending tradeoffs don't exist doesn't make them go away.
Re:Bumble S-1 by philsnow on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:50PM (#25795434)
> 20s are the prime dating years, it feels like a year was taken out where I aged but my life hasn't moved.

So yeah there are people who are choosing to go on dates, gather, party, etc. Those people are very visible. I get it, there can be FOMO. Why should you sacrifice when they're having fun?

Does it help to consider that there are lots of people (dare I say a majority) your age who are making the same sacrifice you are? If/when things return to the old normal, you'll have some sense of solidarity and shared maturity with them. Selflessness is a good quality in a potential spouse.

(Of course, unlike the "I voted" sticker, there's no "I stayed home" sticker, so in two years you're not going to be able to tell who did what now.)

> To make things worse, the whole staying at your home thing has made the desire of having a relationship even more strong as the alone periods do hit you hard.

I get this. My wife passed away 9 months before the pandemic hit full swing and I'm lonely af. I don't get to see adult friends really at all anymore.

> Though to put things in perspective, a lot of people had it way worse than just their dating life/travel being disrupted.

Exactly this. Every time you choose not to go to a party or whatever, you could be averting the death of a family member (yours or a friend's, or friend-of-friend's, etc).

Re:Bumble S-1 by scarmig on Friday January 15, 2021 @04:22PM (#25796697)
The issue as I see it is that a kind of social contract has been broken. The government executing a real quarantine for two months would be totally reasonable: everyone would have been back to relative normality long ago. But few governments committed to that: moreover, the most vociferous opponents of real lockdowns weren't the young, but the relatively old.

And so we've pretty much burned a year of life for everyone. I know many, many people for whom 2020 has been the worst year of their life, in large part due to the lockdown. The people who have suffered least are the people who are basically at home anyway; professionals established enough in their careers to thrive during WFH; the already coupled; and those with kids. Although inconvenienced, they can still progress with their lives. But for many singles in their 20s or 30s, this has been a lost year. And that's very costly: particularly if you want to raise a family, losing a year or more of dating and socialization from your late 20s or 30s is incredibly damaging to those chances.

Re:Bumble S-1 by philsnow on Friday January 15, 2021 @06:33PM (#25798092)
I'm right there with you: completely, impotently furious at the lost year my school-age children have had, at the hands of selfish extroverts who just can't stay away from each other and gutless, toothless politicians.

> The people who have suffered least are the people who are basically at home anyway [...] and those with kids.

hol up. Not to downplay what you're saying (I personally know it can be tough wondering whether you're going to find somebody to spend the rest of your life with), but do you think raising kids is easy?

After this is all done, the world is going to be split between people who spent lockdown with one or more 2- to 4-year-olds, and those who have their sanity.

Re:Bumble S-1 by scarmig on Friday January 15, 2021 @07:25PM (#25798539)
> Not to downplay what you're saying (I personally know it can be tough wondering whether you're going to find somebody to spend the rest of your life with), but do you think raising kids is easy?

A year wasted versus a year spent raising a kid. For the latter, you'd be raising them anyhow regardless of quarantine. That's not to say juggling WFH and being around your kids 24/7 isn't difficult--I'm sure it is--but at the end of it, your year was spent on something meaningful. It's analogous to spending a year at a shitty intensive 80 hr/week job vs being a NEET living in your parents basement. Neither enviable, but at the end of the day most people would prefer to be the former.

> the world is going to be split between people who spent lockdown with one or more 2- to 4-year-olds, and those who have their sanity.

As opposed to people who spend months on end, devoid of any meaningful social contact at all? Neither situation is ideal, obviously, but at least with one you're accomplishing something.

Re:Bumble S-1 by satyrnein on Friday January 15, 2021 @06:53PM (#25798263)
Why would it be damaging to those chances, if everyone in the dating market is in the same boat? I would expect people in their 20s to be just fine. It's single women in their late 30s that could least afford to lose a year.