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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by amval on Friday January 15, 2021 @07:51AM (#25790343)
That's such a ridiculous claim that I have to assume you are spaniard. Spain is actually a pretty average EU country by most metrics.

(Not to say that it doesn't have structural problems, but that's hardly exclusive to Spain)

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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by tgv on Friday January 15, 2021 @08:24AM (#25790651)
Perhaps it isn't failed, but it is pretty corrupt, and it is not in good condition. I wouldn't call it "such a ridiculous claim", just good, old exaggeration.
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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by amval on Friday January 15, 2021 @08:49AM (#25790896)
Pretty corrupt compaired to what? Are Japan or France failed states? Both slightly lower in this aggregated ranking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#2...

I am spaniard and am painfully aware of Spain's problems. And maybe spaniards being so critical of Spain could be something positive (instead of complacency or nationalism).

But honestly? The negativity is pointless and exhausting. Pointless because these are rarely informed opinions putting data into context. Exhausting, because uplifting news need to have an angle that to make them negative.

PS: And yes, I am not denying that there is a lot of corruption enabled by politicians in Spain. And it's a problem. But that doesn't make Spain a failed state. Or how is all of this true:

- Loss of control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein - Erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions - Inability to provide public services - Inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community

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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by tgv on Friday January 15, 2021 @10:12AM (#25791824)
> Loss of control of its territory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_on_the_Referendum_on_Self-...

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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by rozularen on Friday January 15, 2021 @12:06PM (#25793134)
Most metrics is subjective.

The metrics most spaniards look are -General Unemployment rate -Juvenile unemployment -Minimun Salaries -Buy and Rent prices in principal cities

And in most of these Spain is at the bottom

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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by pvaldes on Saturday January 16, 2021 @10:42AM (#25802893)
2020 United Nations World Happiness Report: place 28 (from 156).
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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by Imaiomus on Friday January 15, 2021 @08:52AM (#25790929)
please point what level of the spanish state you believe its clear without corruption, i can point cases from bottom (trash collection) to top (chief of state)
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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by ErneX on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:18AM (#25791188)
You are exaggerating facts to justify your belief of living in a failed state. A failed state doesn't have the rule of law, education and health care that Spain enjoys. And I say this as a Venezuelan expat living in Spain since 2003.
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Re:Villarejo: The rise and fall of the Spanish state’s secre... by AniseAbyss on Friday January 15, 2021 @08:03AM (#25790455)
Yeah real failed states don't get millions of tourists.
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