Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.2 beta 2

Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by sneak on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:31AM (#25778340)

It isn't the dichotomy you set it up to be. macOS solved this without "breaking almost all software by default" using per-app, per-directory permissions for the file system, over and above the decades-old POSIX file modes model.

You're making excuses for the lack of security innovation on Linux workstations. They've fallen behind.

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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by oauea on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:43PM (#25781359)

To be frank, Mac is not a model I would want to follow.

I am the sysadmin and owner of my machine, not Apple or some other organization. They have no business telling me what software I can and can't run, or what files that software can access.

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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by user-the-name on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:19PM (#25781925)

They do neither.

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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by oauea on Thursday January 14, 2021 @09:00PM (#25786012)

They most definitely do, using their developer program. Look up Apple vs Epic for a case where they weaponized this.

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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by user-the-name on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:30AM (#25788376)

You can run any software you want on macOS.

You can't publish any software you want on the App Store.

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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by oauea on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:55PM (#25795492)

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_m...

> Beginning in macOS 10.14.5, software signed with a new Developer ID certificate and all new or updated kernel extensions must be notarized to run. Beginning in macOS 10.15, all software built after June 1, 2019, and distributed with Developer ID must be notarized

So, no. You need Apple's approval to be able to create software that can actually be ran by end-users even if you do not distribute using the App Store.

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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by user-the-name on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:11PM (#25799282)

First, that is "software signed with a new Developer ID". You can just not sign software and it does not need to be notarised.

Second, notarisation is not an "approval". It is a malware scan.

The only thing that requires notarisation, which, again, is not "approval", is kernel extensions.

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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by oauea on Saturday January 16, 2021 @07:15PM (#25806807)

How can you notarize your software when apple has suspended your developer account? Would you not say that notarization requires you to have a developer account, which requires Apple's approval?

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