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Re:Feds asks Tesla to recall vehicles over failing touchscre... by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:45PM (#25772143)
> How is a three year old car aging?

It shouldn't be; depending on source, average length of new car ownership in the US seems to be somewhere in the 7-9 year range, and average length of car ownership (including cars bought used) seems to be ~4 years, and average car lifespan seems to be around 15 years. A car 3-4 years from new shouldn't be “aging”.

Re:Feds asks Tesla to recall vehicles over failing touchscre... by Swenrekcah on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:48AM (#25773416)
That’s a terribly short lifespan IMO. I would have thought the shortest lifespan models to last at least 15 years.

I hope they’re getting sold to Mexico or something, not scrapped.

Re:Feds asks Tesla to recall vehicles over failing touchscre... by curryst on Thursday January 14, 2021 @12:25PM (#25779208)
That's likely what's happening. Owner buys it new, uses it for 7-9 years. Goes to the used market, where it gets 4 years. Maybe a second turn on the used market, and then it gets sold overseas. I hear the Middle East is a big consumer of used cars from the US.

Also, "aging" is going to be heavily influenced by socioeconomic group. For some people, aesthetic damage to the paint or interior is enough to qualify as aging. Other people are more interested in the functionality, and other people are interested in whatever drives. I have friends that consider a 3 year old car to be aging, and I have friends who drive 10 year old cars and think they're just fine.

I do think Teslas (and electric cars in general) are going to have an impact on the used car market, especially on the cheaper end. These batteries don't have tremendously long lifespans, and a replacement often costs as much as a cheap ICE car.

I'm curious if there's going to be any profit in repairing electric cars with new batteries to sell them in Mexico or other parts of the globe, or if we're basically just going to be cutting off part of the used car market. The social impacts of developing countries losing access to a relatively cheap supply of vehicles could be bad.

Re:Feds asks Tesla to recall vehicles over failing touchscre... by unpolloloco on Thursday January 14, 2021 @12:44PM (#25779448)
I think that also includes cars getting totalled early on in their lifespans? That would bring the average down appreciably!
Re:Feds asks Tesla to recall vehicles over failing touchscre... by sn_master on Thursday January 14, 2021 @07:34AM (#25775612)
Average for modern cars is 20+ years, hence the 2021 change in odometer reporting regulations. It used to be 10 years before that based on older studies.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/odometer-disclosure-req...

Re:Feds asks Tesla to recall vehicles over failing touchscre... by creeble on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:51PM (#25782298)
Your reference does not actually state anything about the average life of cars, just that reporting mileage is required for cars up to 20 years old.

20 x 13500 is 270k. I don't think that's average.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm

Re:Feds asks Tesla to recall vehicles over failing touchscre... by sn_master on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:08PM (#25782562)
Sorry about that. This is a more relevant link about the odometer ruling change with the actual statistics:

https://dmvnv.com/news/20023-new-odometer-rules.htm

"The average age of a vehicle in the U.S. is now almost 12 years, up from 7.6 years when the odometer rules were last changed in 1988."