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Re:"Most creative people are not working in a university doi... by vecter on Saturday July 26, 2008 @02:36PM (#257684)
The reason why [Computer Science] research produces so little that can be called creative programming these days is that the modern process of grant-funded research is fundamentally incompatible with the task of writing interesting, cool and relevant software. Rather, its goal is to produce publications and careers, and it’s very good at that.

This is quite a naive point of view. To paraphrase Dijkstra:

Computer science is no more about programming than astronomy is about telescopes.

(s/programming/computers/ for the original)

Look at this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science#Fields_of_comp... and tell me what percentage of that consists of programming. It's like saying math is about numbers.

Re:"Most creative people are not working in a university doi... by brianlash on Saturday July 26, 2008 @05:59PM (#257792)
It's like saying math is about numbers.

Isn't it? I saw where you were going with the astronomy/telescopes analogy, but you lose me on the numbers bit.

Re:"Most creative people are not working in a university doi... by parenthesis on Saturday July 26, 2008 @06:19PM (#257805)
Math is about sets and relations and functions and logic, ..., and, yes, numbers. But many branches of math aren't particularly or specifically concerned with numbers (e.g. linear algebra, group theory, topology), and even those which seem to be (e.g. number theory or real analysis) can be thought of as about sets with particular properties (the mathematician's ideas of the integers and the real numbers are* just ideas of sets with particular properties).

[* are == need only be. The mathematician is allowed to be a realist about numbers and think that there are the real numbers etc., and that these are what she is reasoning about.]

Re:"Most creative people are not working in a university doi... by yummyfajitas on Saturday July 26, 2008 @11:38PM (#257995)
Some people take that viewpoint.

But in my view, math is about getting the right numbers, and you don't fully understand a problem until you can get the right numbers out. Here are two examples:

1) Theorem: det A != 0 implies Ax=b has a solution for a square matrix A.

If you actually try this, you'll discover all sorts of matrices A for which the textbook method fails. Thinking carefully about how to find x in the presence of rounding errors leads you to discover condition numbers, numerical range and all that other interesting stuff.

2) Theorem (circa 1870): Fourier series work. (In particular, they converge pointwise.)

Gibbs: I tried, it didn't work for discontinuous functions. I made some graphs, they are terrible. WTF!

Eventually, people paid attention to Gibbs and discovered Gibbs ringing. Trying to figure this out led us to learn about uniform convergence, Hilbert spaces and all that.

Of course, I'm a numerical analyst, so I might be a little biased.

Re:"Most creative people are not working in a university doi... by d0mine on Saturday July 26, 2008 @06:43PM (#257820)
Read A Mathematician’s Lament (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=256176). It does a pretty good job (among other things) on explaining what the math is all about.
Re:"Most creative people are not working in a university doi... by vecter on Saturday July 26, 2008 @10:16PM (#257946)
parenthesis hit the nail on the head. If I was asked to give the most concise definition of mathematics I could, I would say it's the study of structure and relations.
Re:"Most creative people are not working in a university doi... by gaius on Sunday July 27, 2008 @06:29AM (#258142)
Maths is about numbers in the same way that literature is about letters.