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Re:Ask HN: How to increase SWE salaries in Europe? by legerdemain on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @03:29PM (#25767556)
There is a reason why Poles, Bulgarians, and Ukrainians are ubiquitous on remote teams in tech: they are cheap, they are hungry for a challenge, and they get gold medals on the IOI (at least the Poles and Bulgarians do).

Dramatically increasing the pay of these people would be doing them a disservice by making them less employable.

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Re:Ask HN: How to increase SWE salaries in Europe? by mrwoggle on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:32PM (#25768238)
They work like machines! It is hard to compete with them
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Re:Ask HN: How to increase SWE salaries in Europe? by walshemj on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @05:13PM (#25768663)
So they are not as good your saying?

From my experience eastern developers seem to need a lot of hand holding their don't seem to be many technical leads / CTO who can take broad instructions and produce a good piece of work

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Re:Ask HN: How to increase SWE salaries in Europe? by legerdemain on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @05:34PM (#25768920)
How did you manage to go from "IOI gold" to "not as good"?
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Re:Ask HN: How to increase SWE salaries in Europe? by walshemj on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:34PM (#25781205)
Kind of obvious given this comment

"doing them a disservice by making them less employable."

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Re:Ask HN: How to increase SWE salaries in Europe? by killtimeatwork on Thursday January 14, 2021 @09:34AM (#25776722)
> From my experience eastern developers seem to need a lot of hand holding their don't seem to be many technical leads / CTO who can take broad instructions and produce a good piece of work

Hmm that's interesting and there may be something to it (I'm Polish). I've seen some very competent Polish tech leads, but no one higher than that really. It may be because the local value of a developer or tech lead salary is so high in Poland (esp. if you contract for rich Western/US companies) that people don't really have the motivation to move up the ladder - they're living like kings already and build wealth that will stay in their families for generations.

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