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Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by nitsky on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @09:37AM (#25762444)
Publicly stating that investments from a fund will only be given to particular racial groups likely meets most people’s definition of “discrimination on the basis of race”.
Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by ziaddotcom on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @09:41AM (#25762495)
Go ahead and say which racial groups that would be against, particularly relative to Apple's total investments in a given year.
Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by nitsky on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @09:46AM (#25762574)
These are the only investments I’m aware of that apple makes that are targeted at particular racial groups. The others are available without racial discrimination. While the racial composition of the recipients may not be in proportion with each race’s representation in the general population, I do not believe that makes them “racist”. In my view, “racism” is when race is made an explicit criterion in decision making, as apple is demonstrating here.
Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by ziaddotcom on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @09:56AM (#25762706)
Are reservations for Native Americans racism by your definition then, since they are explicitly for Native Americans?
Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by nitsky on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @10:14AM (#25762932)
No, reservations are not given on the basis of race, they are part of peace treaties negotiated between "countries" such as "the cherokee nation", "the navajo nation", etc. They are no more racist than treaties signed with other nations whose population is mostly one particular race.

See wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation

Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by ziaddotcom on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @10:34AM (#25763229)
why doesn't your definition of racism also have parity with Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by nitsky on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @10:40AM (#25763338)
From the article:

> According to dictionaries, the word is commonly used to describe prejudice and discrimination based on race.

That seems to match what I wrote above.

Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by nitsky on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:10AM (#25763902)
> Apple choosing to invest in educational and entrepreneurial programs for "Black and Brown companies" is in no way antagonism towards other races nor is it an indication that Apple supports a belief that any race is superior.

I agree that it does not indicate "antagonism" or "superiority", but you left out "discrimination", which is right there in the definition in your comment. I believe that apple's program "discriminates" on the basis of race, and therefore is racist.

Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by ziaddotcom on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:22AM (#25764110)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

"Discrimination is the act of making unjustified distinctions between human beings based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they are perceived to belong.[1] People may be discriminated on the basis of race, gender, age or sexual orientation, as well as other categories.[2] Discrimination especially occurs when individuals or groups are unfairly treated in a way which is worse than other people are treated, on the basis of their actual or perceived membership in certain groups or social categories.[2][3] It involves restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to members of another group.[4]

Do you think Apple giving 100MM specifically to "Black and Brown companies" is unjustified?

Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by nitsky on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:47AM (#25764548)
Yes, I do think it is unjustified.

In your quote: "It involves restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to members of another group."

Apple is restricting people who are not black or brown from this opportunity.

Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by ziaddotcom on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @12:02PM (#25764810)
In what way does Apple giving 10MM to Harlem Capital restrict people who are not Black or Brown people from the opportunity to pitch their fund.

https://harlem.capital/pitch/

The first of their five pillars:

"We invest in founders from all backgrounds, genders and walks of life"

Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by Grustaf on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @02:15PM (#25766685)
That’s great to hear, but in what sense would that be “investing in black and brown people” then?
Re:Apple launches new Racial Equity and Justice Initiative p... by ziaddotcom on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:00AM (#25763698)
According to dictionaries, the word is commonly used to describe prejudice and discrimination based on race.[48][49]

From the two citations: [48]

Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

[49] a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Apple choosing to invest in educational and entrepreneurial programs for "Black and Brown companies" is in no way antagonism towards other races nor is it an indication that Apple supports a belief that any race is superior.