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Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by helen___keller on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:04AM (#25747002)
I'm not sure what your point is. I'll bet Bezos was plenty concerned about gallows outside his house, but I don't know what that has to do with literally any of this. Is he supposed to send out a memo to employees warning them to be vigilant in case gallows show up outside their houses too, or outside of amazon data centers?
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by ed25519FUUU on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @11:08AM (#25748717)
Poor guy can’t get a break. They bring out the guillotine in the summer with “eat the rich” signs, then the gallows rolls out in the winter. Tough being one of the worlds richest men.

https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-protests-guillotine-jeff-bez...

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by yabones on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:34AM (#25746599)
No, because they are not equal threats.

A dangerous terror cell, which has already invaded the US Capitol, is now threatening to bomb critical infrastructure. If this was the Taliban you wouldn't be asking this question.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by papaf on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:59AM (#25746943)
If this was the Taliban you wouldn't be asking this question.

The Taliban are on Twitter.

Reputable source:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-taliban/t...

The Taliban account:

https://twitter.com/zabehulah_m33

Sample translated tweet:

Last night, a checkpoint near the center of Kunduz called Houz, which fired mortars at civilians, was destroyed. Two tanks were destroyed, one soldier was killed and three others, including two commanders (Aman and Majid), were captured alive. Also, 2 tanks of the auxiliary enemy were destroyed, 1 soldier was killed and many weapons and ammunitions were recovered from them.

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Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by yabones on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:40AM (#25746687)
It's not a question of property damage, this is the great foretold National Security Emergency. We've spent twenty years giving up our privacy for this.

If you want to bring up costs, it's only fair to call into question the damage to the US reputation internationally. Having this type of security threat on a national scale is terrible for trade and strategic relations. I'm a Canadian, I don't trust my closest neighbour right now. That's an entirely incalculable cost.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by mrzimmerman on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:01AM (#25746967)
Which group tried to murder members of Congress and fundamentally alter or stop our constitutional process because they were mad they didn’t get they’re way? Who is threatening to have armed rallies to finish the job?

Please, tell me why refusing to follow the constitution or ending the country is on par with a Target being burned down. I’ll wait.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by listless on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:06AM (#25747028)
I'd be careful with us pretending one of these groups is less violent or more dangerous than the other. The right just got done making that same logical mistake. It's a long way to the bottom when you claim the high ground.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by pstuart on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:45AM (#25747522)
Why the false equivalency? BLM's stated goal is to end police oppression of people of color. White Nationalists' stated goal is to "cleanse" the country by force.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by listless on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:08PM (#25751788)
I think _that's_ the false equivalency right there. The right does the exact same thing, only it looks something like this...

> "Why the false equivalency? Trump's stated goal is to bring back jobs and protect America. BLM's stated goal is Marxism and the destruction of the western nuclear family."

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by pstuart on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @11:14PM (#25758023)
Rubber and glue FTW, eh?
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by a_crc on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:36AM (#25747410)
A "left-wing activist" actually shot the house majority whip in 2017, and he was actively trying to assassinate other republican politicians as well. [0]

I'll never vote for another republican for as long as Trumpism remains a part of the party, but we can't pretend that only one side has been radicalized to the point of violence.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_sh...

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:09AM (#25747852)
To be fair, a difference here is that it was one sole person committing that act, and they generally were not paraded around as heroes by people of similar political leaning. One-off stuff like that happens all the time and is not necessarily indicative of any kind of trend.

> I'll never vote for another republican for as long as Trumpism remains a part of the party

As someone who used to vote for the occasional republican, neither can I. In fact, as far as I am concerned the republican brand is now unsalvageable and any sane conservative would have to be running under a different label since I can't trust the reasoning of anyone who'd run under that one anymore.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by a_crc on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:24AM (#25748023)
I agree that the lone wolf nature of the attack makes a difference, but if we are going to paint other lone wolf shooters as products of their political beliefs then we have to apply the same standard in this case.

>they generally were not paraded around as heroes by people of similar political leaning

I would invite you to look at discussions of the incident on reddit, it might change your mind. That said, I agree that the celebration of politically motivated violence is despicable, and the unwillingness of some the members and supporters of the republican party to condemn the recent riot is a terrible mistake.

My main goal with my first comment was to remind everyone that painting the people we have political disagreements with as irredeemable monsters can drive people from both sides to violence.

I'd also like to thank you for taking the time to reply instead of downvoting and moving on, this is a tough subject and I don't think my hasty 1st comment was sufficient to the task.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by coughupalung on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:06AM (#25747030)
I don't want to defend that. I want to instead ask, what would the damage be if members of Congress were killed? I think the long-term damage would be much, much worse.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by strgcmc on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:02AM (#25746975)
Not the "group" you're thinking of. Groups exist along a spectrum of cohesiveness, and a political party and/or political cult centered around one individual, is several orders of magnitude more cohesive than grassroots social movements with loosely affiliated themes, during whose protests some unaffiliated rioters and looters caused the majority of the damage. In effect, you're comparing incidental property damage to a calculated, targeted, and rallied-for/single-leader-inspired insurrection; it's like comparing storm damage to arsonists.

And how do I know it wasn't just random unaffiliated violent individuals causing most of the damage during the insurrection? Because they freaking wore matching hats and chanted Trump slogans...

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by rtkwe on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:34AM (#25746614)
I don't think the guillotine was meant as a literal threat to his life personally. It was a wage protest lead by a former Amazon employee and IIRC was never violent.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by gruez on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:47AM (#25746783)
>I don't think the guillotine was meant as a literal threat to his life personally

Isn't the narrative the exact opposite for capitol attack? eg. "these rioters had gallows set up and everything, could you imagine what would have happened if congress wasn't evacuated in time?"

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by mrzimmerman on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:58AM (#25746924)
They had gallows outside, armed participants broke into the building, some participants that got into the senate chambers were carrying soft cuffs, one group didn’t stop trying to get to capitol staff and Congresspeople until a women with them was shot.

If I was Bezos I wouldn’t shrug off a guillotine but you have to ignore a lot of what happened in DC to try to make the events and intent equal.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by BikiniPrince on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:07AM (#25747040)
What were these people armed with?
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by ben_w on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:23AM (#25747228)
Which people do you mean by “these”? The insurrectionists had pipe bombs and molotovs. No idea about the BLM or the anticapitalism stuff in the summer.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-pipe-bombs-and-cooler-of...

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by rtkwe on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:41AM (#25747463)
And it'll be forever hard to answer what the people in the Capitol had with them because they were just let out and weren't arrests didn't really start until that evening when supporting LE finally came in.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by 52-6F-62 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:58AM (#25747699)
There are photographs and video. A truck was found parked outside the capitol filled.

They found them during the riot, not afterward.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-inaugurati...

Having watched a chronological, narration-less series of footage from the day it does appear there was an organized contingent operating among the larger chaos.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by rtkwe on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:05AM (#25747800)
I meant literally the people that went inside the Capitol we know those things were floating around in the crowd generally but not what the people inside had. I also saw that one LARP group heading up the stairs looking organized but IDK if they were spotted with anything particularly bad, haven't watched everything that happened for sure though.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by 52-6F-62 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:54AM (#25748514)
There are photographs of people inside the chambers with cuffs and tasers. One was recently arrested for it: https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates...
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by coughupalung on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:57AM (#25746910)
I get what you're saying. In my mind, the plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan changes the priors in determining if it was purely symbolic.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by rtkwe on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:15AM (#25747141)
Yeah, there are at least sub-factions in that group that would actually very much like to put that gallows to actual use and seemingly came prepared to actually take hostages when they got inside.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by nova22033 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:55AM (#25746883)
that would be more plausible if they hadn't beaten a cop to death.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by noelsusman on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:22AM (#25747226)
The gallows were clearly for show in my opinion, but the same group also did actually storm the building and send a bunch of cops to the hospital, killing one.

I've been reading Trump spaces online for a long time and I feel strongly that a subset of those protesters absolutely would have murdered members of Congress if they got that far in time.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by newsclues on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:36AM (#25746632)
Just a friendly chop off your head threat!
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by rtkwe on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:03AM (#25746989)
I think there's a line between prop to get attention and a threat which comes down to will you use it given the chance (or can you use it). At the very least they never tried to break into anywhere Bezos actually was...
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by criddell on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:56AM (#25746901)
I have a hard time believing that the person who set it up didn't think it would be perceived as a threat.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by Darmody on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:52AM (#25746849)
Mostly peaceful guillotine.
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by mimikatz on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:52AM (#25746841)
Threatening to behead someone outside their home is violence!
Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by bitwize on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:04AM (#25746997)
It may meet the threshold for assault, depending on jurisdiction.

In the U.S., the crime of assault consists of acting as if you are about to hurt someone, including verbal and gestural threats. Actually harming them comes under the umbrella of the separate crime of "battery", hence the phrase "assault and battery".

So yes, if you go to someone else's house, set up a "slicey boi", and behave as if you fully intend to use it, you could be charged with a violent crime.

Re:Leaked memos Amazon warn 'be vigilant' due to threats to ... by jtbayly on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:30AM (#25746544)
I read that it was a guillotine and Amazon employees, but your point still stands.