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Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by starfallg on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:20AM (#25744783)
That's completely irrelevant to what the issue here is though. AWS, as a private enterprise, is under no duty to sell its services to anybody.

AWS works on a consumption model, but for the sake of argument, let's say that the customer also have reservations with AWS for resources covering at least the next few months. Whether AWS can terminate the supply of services depend entirely on the service agreement. IIRC, AWS has a number of options of terminating a user's services in its service agreement, such as abuse of service, which hosting content inciting seditious violence most likely falls under.

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by iguy on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:25AM (#25744828)
> AWS, as a private enterprise, is under no duty to sell its services to anybody.

This may well be the legal position, but I think people are wondering whether it should be this way.

The first electricity providers were (I think, mostly) likewise completely private & free to sell or not as they pleased. But as they grew, and our dependence on their product grew, the rules changed. They are now regulated differently, and have to sell to all who pay their bills. And nobody thinks it a stain on ConEd's reputation when they are found to have been selling power to porn-studios or gun-makers (i.e. legal activities some find distasteful), nor to weed-growers or mafia-run warehouses (illegal activities, but we don't expect ConEd to hire deeply investigate every connection).

Is AWS selling something like water & electricity, a basic neutral service needed for many businesses? Or something more like a cable TV service, where they bear some responsibility for what's communicated in the channels being provided?

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by inglor_cz on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:46AM (#25746096)
This.

It is always good to recall history. The origin of antitrust laws lies in the late 19th century, when a lot of railroad companies consolidated into a few mammoths. Back then, there were basically no regulations around the use of railroads, which were built by private capital.

Nevertheless, railroads became an important infrastructure of the nation, and the convergence of power towards just a few hands meant that the situation became untenable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Securities_Co._v._Uni...

I can see the parallels to the digital giants of today fairly well.

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by starfallg on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:43AM (#25748318)
That's antitrust or competition law. However, no matter how you slice it, court would be unlikely to rule AWS as a monopoly given its market share in cloud hosting and even if you focus in on specific services, AWS market share is small by antitrust standards.

Amazon (the webstore) on the other hand is getting close, and with the core business of the other FAANGs.

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by inglor_cz on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @11:19AM (#25748910)
Antitrust laws can be also broken by collusion. If, for example, AWS, Azure and Google can be demonstrated to act as a cartel (IDK if this is true, but if...), then they violate antitrust law, because in combination, they dominate the market.
Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by Gollapalli on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:42AM (#25747480)
>Is AWS selling something like water & electricity, a basic neutral service needed for many businesses?

This is what I find so disturbing about the Parler fiasco. Every tech person I know has interacted with AWS directly at some point. Everyone any of us knows has interacted with something reliant on AWS. What's the percentage of web services that run on AWS now? It's well over a third IIRC. AWS is essentially indispensable at this point. It might very well be called a technological utility.

Moreover AWS's core market has, historically, been startups. Parler, being a startup, was in their core group of customers, dealing with a service that had effectively become ubiquitous among startups. They were an American company, with a CEO and investors and users and capital.

Being a B2B service, bordering on a technological utility, rather than a B2C online community like Facebook or Twitter, the idea of AWS banning users seems almost a category error. The idea of AWS banning an American startup would have been unthinkable to me before it happened.

EDIT: Moved some phrases around for clarity.

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by pyetya on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:40AM (#25744976)
But they sell the service and then stop providing it.
Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by babesh on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:27AM (#25744842)
I hope you like it when the grocery store refuses to sell you food when they don’t like your political views.
Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by ccortes on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:37AM (#25744939)
Didn't this already happened with the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple?

https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/bakersfield-bakery-own...

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by iguy on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:44AM (#25745013)
I think the argument in such cases is that making a custom cake celebrating something is (in part) an artistic creation, a kind of speech, and (you can argue) should not be compelled.

Whereas a grocery store refusing to sell things off the shelf to some group of people would be a very different matter.

(To be clear, I'm not taking any position on the particular cake case linked. There are many & details differ.)

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by dmatech on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:36AM (#25748195)
Additionally, there is a large and highly competitive market for baking cakes, so you can just drive down the street. With enough cake shops, someone's almost certainly going to take your order.

The law currently only protects against certain types of discrimination, but high competition protects against all of them (assuming there isn't collusion).

Re:Parler social network sues Amazon for pulling support by ccortes on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @06:12AM (#25745290)
Good point