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Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by louthy on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:17PM (#25740377)
You can keep claiming it’s one tweet if you like, but you know this is disingenuous. It’s 1 tweet + 4 years of destabilising lies + 1 incitement to insurrection

Propaganda over the ages has been studied very closely, there are known techniques. His incitement speech was a textbook example [1]. Why on earth would anyone give him the benefit of the doubt? He’s a wannabe tyrant.

[1] https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1347908845281095680 - A good deep dive on his incitement speech

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Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by louthy on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @06:07AM (#25745234)
How does your outburst relate to my comment? What obligation does twitter have to give anybody a voice? Especially a voice that has incited a violent insurrection. I don't see how Twitter are struggling to maintain user trust, except for those that believe violent insurrection is a good thing.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by drewmol on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:41AM (#25746050)
The outburst was a reaction to the question of why people would give him the benifit of the doubt. He was entrusted (non violently, but begrudgingly by some Americans) with the ability to command the United States' nuclear arsenal. Violent insurrection is how the republic that governs the people who operate Twitter was started, there can be good parts of it. I don't trust that Trump incited the violence, nor that it's a good idea to blame him and dismiss objection.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by louthy on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:50AM (#25746813)
> Violent insurrection is how the republic that governs the people who operate Twitter was started, there can be good parts of it

So you're comparing the insurrection that happened last week, in a mature, functioning democracy to the overthrow of rule-from-afar by a king? Are you sure that a violent insurrection in America, today, could be a good thing? An insurrection is usually to replace the embedded status quo. What should democracy be replaced with that's better? Do you believe totalitarianism/fascism is really a better system? Because that appears to be Trump's preferred system of government.

> I don't trust that Trump incited the violence

He staged a rally called the "Save America March" with a speech loaded with violent imagery and threats to "weak republicans" with phrases like "We have someone in there who should not be in there and our country will be destroyed and we're not going to stand for that" with repeated phrases like "fight like hell", giving the impression that there were similar marches around the country, etc. etc. all carefully crafted to make it seem like today was the day that, if the mob didn't do something about it, they would lose democracy itself. Making it appear that the election was still ongoing, putting it in the present tense, and that in 1 hour's time, it would all be over. He even laid out plans for what he would do in office going forward, like a State of the Union speech. It was all timed to finish 45 minutes before the electoral college votes were due to be counted.

This was after Guiliani had called for "trial by combat".

If you haven't seen the full transcript of his speech, I would encourage you to dig it out. The incitement is absolutely plain as day. It's textbook propaganda and was designed to rile up the crowd to believe they, the "real Americans" (like Hitler's "real Germans"), could stop what he was decrying as a fraudulent election.

I get it that if you're a Trump fan or a Republican, you may be willing to give more of a benefit of the doubt. But to a non-partisan (I'm not American, but deeply concerned by what I can see from my part of the world) it's plain as day.

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by drewmol on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @11:44AM (#25749381)
>I get it that if you're a Trump fan or a Republican, you may be willing to give more of a benefit of the doubt.

I'm neither.

>But to a non-partisan (I'm not American, but deeply concerned by what I can see from my part of the world) it's plain as day.

I am an American, non-partisan, who shares mutual deep concern.