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Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by commandlinefan on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:24PM (#25738365)
> feel like they don’t have a voice

Congress is about to impeach Trump (successfully this time, since the Democrats now control the Senate). That will prohibit him from holding public office in the future, so they won't even be able to hope for a do-over in '24. I doubt that will do much to calm them.

Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by Diederich on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:29PM (#25738455)
> successfully this time, since the Democrats now control the Senate

Conviction requires 2/3 Senate vote, so 17 Republicans will need to vote to convict.

Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by _ek94 on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:29PM (#25738465)
They need more than a simple majority to convict in the senate trial, so it seems unlikely to be successful. The best they can hope for is to force republicans to vote in favor of the insurrection and hope that is still an unpopular choice in 2022.
Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by danhak on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:28PM (#25738439)
> Congress is about to impeach Trump (successfully this time, since the Democrats now control the Senate).

That’s not how that works. Conviction in the Senate requires a 2/3 majority vote, which is vanishingly unlikely even with Democratic control.

Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by vorpalhex on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:32PM (#25738508)
The first impeachment attempt seemed to have a reasonable chance on paper - but quickly fell apart because Democrats demanded running up the list of charges such that the entire process became a farce.

Unless Democrats can really stick to one well aimed narrow charge, this one will likely fall apart too. They only need to include one ridiculous charge to have Republicans nope out.

Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by NikolaeVarius on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:53PM (#25738924)
There were only two articles of impeachment. How was that "running up the list of charges"
Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by vorpalhex on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:08PM (#25739262)
Previous to the articles themselves was an almost 700 page investigative report - and that report came up again, and again, and again. Had it been constrained to the phone call and the facts of that specific case, it would have been a very strong case - but instead that report's other findings were so questioned and interrogated it ruined the entire case.

Trump should have been impeached for that phone call. Drawing any attention away from that was a mistake.

Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by NikolaeVarius on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:12PM (#25739342)
That wasn't the claim being made. There were two charges

1) The Phone Call 2) Obstruction of Justice

The investigative report, you know the evidence, was needed.

Your version of how this went down doesn't make any sense.

Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by vorpalhex on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:24PM (#25739555)
I spent several days watching the proceedings as they happened. Yes, formally there were two charges, but because the investigative report mentions other things those topics can be raised.

In attempting to resist impeachment, the Republicans want to call the report into question. That includes both it's direct evidence (attacking sources, resisting subpeonas, etc) and it's other claims. If you claim A and B and I debunk B, it sure feels like I weaken A (that's not logically correct, but people fall for this trick all the time).

RealClearPolitics, which is a Republican heavy source - so note here, they ARE biased - lays out the argument the Republicans used: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/01/28/democr...!

(and I'm not saying RCP is accurate as a whole, but I'm saying they are accurate as to the Republican argument against impeachment)

Re:FBI warns of plans for nationwide armed protests next week by dragonwriter on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:58PM (#25739044)
> Congress is about to impeach Trump (successfully this time, since the Democrats now control the Senate).

Democrats do not control the Senate, and will not until after all of Ossoff, Warnock, and Harris (as VP) take office, which will be not earlier than exactly when Trump leaves.

More to the point, it takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict, and Democrats will, even after all the newly elected figures relevant take office, have a bare majority due to the VP’s tie breaking vote, not a 2/3 supermajority.