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Re:Why Isn’t Telegram End-to-End Encrypted by Default (2017) by CodeGlitch on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:20PM (#25738288)
How about email?

Seriously... setting up your own email server. All users use a web client (there are tonnes out there, with the option of using thicker clients).

Bots can be used to organise the groups, add new users, etc.

Re:Why Isn’t Telegram End-to-End Encrypted by Default (2017) by pmlnr on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:31AM (#25743524)
I recommended it heavily, got dismissed immediately.
Re:Why Isn’t Telegram End-to-End Encrypted by Default (2017) by CodeGlitch on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:29PM (#25738477)
By the way before anyone shouts at me, I know email isn't E2E encrypted. As I've said before on HN: if you are looking to communicate securly, you shouldn't be using anyone else's infrastructure. That includes Signal et al.

Most people chatting to their friends and family don't need that level of security.

If you don't want China listening to you: don't use someone else's system.

Re:Why Isn’t Telegram End-to-End Encrypted by Default (2017) by FabHK on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:55PM (#25740067)
You could even allow only emails to the same domain (handled on the same server itself). Then emails never leave the server, and people can access them with their favourite tool, such as web or IMAP/SMPT, which encrypts everything in transit these days, if set up properly, unless I'm mistaken.