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Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by obviouslynotme on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:34PM (#25737546)
If AWS is dropping you, then Facebook, Twitter, and Google probably already have. Stripe, Cloudflare, and Paypal are probably doing the same. If you try to continue, Visa, MasterCard, and your ISP will shut you down next. This is the world we live in now. You can be removed from commerce by a unanimous decision that you will be told never happened. I am just glad I can shut people down hard now when they say, "If you don't like X, then build your own X." I have now watched two Twitter clones and one Patreon clone be shutdown by magical sudden decisions made in lockstep. My guess is that BitChute is next.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by ctvo on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:00PM (#25739094)
What unfortunate circumstances we find ourselves in when the cost of doing business with a company associated with white supremacists, insurrectionists, and murderers outweighs the benefits so much that other private businesses won't sell them things.

Everyone is entitled to force themselves on Apple, Google, Amazon, Twilio, Stripe, et al., right?

I find a depressing majority of the people screaming censorship at the top of their lungs believe people are not entitled to health care or free education in this country. That would be big government. People however are entitled to make you do business with them, even if it's financially damaging to you.

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by obviouslynotme on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:31PM (#25740525)
If just Apple suspended them for a clearly identified infringement of codified policy and then gave them steps to correct it, I wouldn't care nearly as much as multiple sectors of industry banning one company within hours of each other. It's the coordination that is terrifying. When a group of powerful people says, "You have to let me do crazy thing, or the boogieman wins," you must forgive me for having doubts. I have heard that too many times to count.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by lindenksv85 on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:57PM (#25740796)
It’s not coordination if multiple companies actually agree on reality. I would think it would be worse if some companies said this were fine and other didn’t - THAT would imply that someone was being treated unfairly maybe. This is just a unanimous jury, that’s all. I think it’s rather silly to say that if, for example, someone goes on tv and says they’re planning on building nuclear bombs in their closet, you believe Apple can’t suspend them until they say that exact same thing on their platform. If you are a violent threat in the real world, then you also are on all the platforms whether you reveal that there or not.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by obviouslynotme on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:12PM (#25740940)
The problem with your example is I don't turn off the bomb maker's electricity. I call the police. They take violent threats seriously. If you think someone is making a violent threat, that is what you do. They want to shut down non-violent speech. The police won't deal with that.

As for the collusion, I might believe you if this were the first time. After all, it was such an enormous, public incident. But it is not the first time and it will not be the last time either.

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by ctvo on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:31PM (#25741110)
> It's the coordination that is terrifying.

Imagine there's a number of farmers in a village who all stop working and go inside when a thunderstorm is imminent. Did they all coordinate to stop working at around the same time or did they individually make a judgement of what's in their best self-interest?

I think our disagreement may be that you don't believe there was a thunderstorm. You may think it was a perfectly clear day, hence their reasoning and timing are suspect, and there must have been some communication. I think there was a thunderstorm of regulatory pressure (imagine more people dying as attacks are planned on an app in the AppStore), employee pressure, reputation / brand damage that was brewing due to the actions in DC on 1/06. This tipped the calculations away from maintaining the status quo, and whatever revenue Parler may have generated (along with other factors, like outcries of bias vs. the right) was no longer enough.

The case for companies further down the supply chain is even more clear: Imagine you're Twilio and are doing cost / benefit analysis on if you should continue your relationship with Parler. Outside of public outrage, employee calls for action, etc.., the other side of the equation is Parler brings in revenue. Your calculations became much simplified due to upstream actors like AWS. Parler has 0 users now and 0 revenue now after Apple, Google and Amazon's actions. Why in the world would you take the continued costs of maintaining your relationship with them in that case? There's still no coordination, only actors making the best decision as the values of underlying variables are updated.

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by obviouslynotme on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:48PM (#25741230)
I might believe you if this were the first time I have seen something like this happen. After all, it was such an enormous, public incident. But it is not the first time and it will not be the last time either.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by ctvo on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:58PM (#25753543)
Great. The burden of proof is on you to prove coordination.

A parting analogy (since I'm awful at them but keep making them):

A group of Spanish speakers are spread across a number of gates waiting for their flight at SFO. A person stands up and yells in Spanish they have a bomb. All the Spanish speakers simultaneously duck. Was this coordination or actors acting in their best self-interest based on privileged information they share?

In whatever incident you keep referring to, that isn't this one, that also occurred (you imply there are many -- listing one should be no problem) where you suspect there was coordination across tech companies to censor, please ensure it isn't the tech companies all have similar data and drew the same conclusions.

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:10PM (#25753722)
> It's the coordination that is terrifying.

Is it “coordination” if lots of companies have been contacted as law enforcement authorities following the connections out from the events at the Capitol and looking for assistance both in investigation and in forestalling the upcoming attacks they have said they have intelligence on being planned, and a bunch of corporate counsel have all had their attention directed to the statute on material support for terrorism at the same time and come to the same conclusion?

> When a group of powerful people says, "You have to let me do crazy thing, or the boogieman wins," you must forgive me for having doubts.

Sure, e.g.:

crazy thing = provide support to domestic terrorists

boogieman = evil corporations

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by 0x10c0fe11ce on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:23AM (#25743858)
This is happening to normal folks with small businesses too. I have some friends who are being targeted by google and fb, for no good reason as they’re completely in the dark. We need to decentralize the web yesterday.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by LockAndLol on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:58PM (#25740103)
Why bit chute? Aren't they just a peertube alternative?
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by obviouslynotme on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:09PM (#25740257)
They host content that YouTube will not. That seems to be enough. Peertube is federated, and I haven't seen them attack a federated service, yet.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by res0nat0r on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:31PM (#25738505)
Parler obviously only existed to cater to right wing extrimsm and violent rhetoric. It's the reason they "couldn't" moderate it, as if they did there would be no reason for it to exist.

Reddit is still around even after r/thedonald and other violent / hateful subreddits were on the site and finally banned. The difference is reddit doesn't primarily exist to foster violence and extremism.

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by jhowell on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:46PM (#25737748)
> I have now watched two Twitter clones and one Patreon clone be shutdown by magical sudden decisions made in lockstep.

Magical?

Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by drak0n1c on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:41PM (#25739853)
I believe the commenter is referring to the coordinated collusion of the activity, which is reminiscent of anti-competitive cartels.
Re:Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support by jhowell on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:56PM (#25752550)
Seems a false equivalent to compare the events that caused these recent terminations to the past, or "magic." What about that should be protected?