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Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by kennywinker on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:15PM (#25737132)
https://time.com/5128341/poland-holocaust-law/

> The bill was proposed by the country’s ruling Law and Justice party (PiS) and calls for up to three years in prison or a fine for accusing the Polish state or people of involvement or responsibility for the Nazi occupation during World War II

The law has since passed, tho it was later amended to remove the prison time portion.

Now I am not a lawyer, nor am I polish, so I don't know what the situation is on the ground - but I believe the law makes repeating much of the contents of this wikipedia page illegal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_German-occupi...

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by zozbot234 on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:31PM (#25737461)
No one sensible is accusing "the Polish state" or "the Polish people" of being involved with the Holocaust, and the Wikipedia page itself doesn't state anything like that. The law is aimed at hateful idiocy like talking about the supposed "Polish death camps", as opposed to the tragically real Nazi death camps in Nazi-occupied Poland.
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by kennywinker on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:13PM (#25738174)
The wikipedia page I linked to clearly points out that polish people WERE involved in the holocaust. Not all, in fact I believe the vast majority of poles were not collaborators... but that doesn't mean this law doesn't make it legally sketchy to talk about the poles who were collaborators
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by tomaszs on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:54AM (#25742871)
Polish people were exterminated on a daily basis by German nazis. Over 5 million Poles were brutally killed. It is hard to miss German attack and occupation of Poland aim was also to depopulate it from polish people.

Collaborators were punished because they were traitors and everyone seen and sees them like such.

Below is a link to a Wikipedia where you can learn more:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1939%E2%8...

I hope you will understand how offensive and false your comment is.

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by kennywinker on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:28PM (#25752142)
Just one example from your link:

> Especially in the early weeks of the German offensive, many thousands of Jews were murdered by members of local communities in the western parts of the previously Soviet zone, such as the Baltic countries, eastern Poland, and western Ukraine.

I am absolutely not trying to paint a complex situation in black and white. The article you linked to also points out how many non-jewish poles were killed, how many non-jewish poles helped jewish poles at great risk to themselves, etc. but the idea that you can “other” collaborator poles out of being poles is denying the reality.

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by concordDance on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:23AM (#25774069)
Polish people were also murdered in huge numbers by the Russians, but people often forget that.
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by favorited on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:38PM (#25741557)
I visited a Nazi extermination camp in Poland where you could literally see the adjacent town from inside the camp fences. It's absolute lunacy to pretend there weren't Polish collaborators.
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by monday40 on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:25PM (#25741867)
It's an absolute lunacy to think that because a group of people lives nearby a place where something bad is going on, it is certain that among them are people helping with it.