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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by wassenaar10 on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:52AM (#25729556)
> Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it.

So all social media then

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by onion2k on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:11AM (#25730844)
No, because most social media platforms don't freely allow the organization of violent mobs. Twitter, Facebook, etc will ban you for doing that. Even, as it turns out, if you're the POTUS.
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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by cyberdelica on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:00PM (#25740134)
> No, because most social media platforms don't freely allow the organization of violent mobs. Twitter, Facebook, etc will ban you for doing that. Even, as it turns out, if you're the POTUS.

I seem to remember just a few years back, social media platforms, and the darling media being quite proud of organising violent mobs - or as they preferred to call it, "freedom" - in a movement known as the "Arab Spring"[0]. It was touted as one of the "virtues" of such platforms.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_the_Arab_Spri...

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by papaf on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:05AM (#25729789)
Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it.

I feel the same way about Facebook [1]. This is not whataboutism. I truly believe Facebook should also be shutdown for its role in Genocide.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by BlueTemplar on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:34AM (#25730253)
I have a big issue with the importance of Facebook in this specific story (even if something similar will almost certainly happen or already have happened elsewhere) : I have been to Myanmar. The kind of people that they are talking about overwhelmingly are too poor to afford Internet/Facebook !
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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by papaf on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:10AM (#25730826)
About 30% of the population: https://napoleoncat.com/stats/facebook-users-in-myanmar/2018...

Its enough to raise a mob.

Facebook are also central to the investigation: https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/how-facebook-is-complicit-in...

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by BlueTemplar on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:21AM (#25731040)
Those 30% overwhelmingly live in the biggest cities. Not in the poor villages where the ethnic tensions started.

(However, maybe Facebook indeed made things worse, once the Facebook-connected military got involved.)

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by papaf on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:38AM (#25731365)
Both internet and Facebook were available in rural areas. Described as an "internet revolution" at the time: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/01/the-f...

The UN also said that Facebook played a "determining role" (see the Diplomat link).

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by BlueTemplar on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:37PM (#25732503)
Hmm, I guess it's my damn fault for staying too much on the tourist route and assuming things from appearances !

Charging phones from car batteries, damn !

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by tidepod12 on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:11AM (#25730855)
Why do you use antifa as an example when there are much better examples like the Nation of Islam [1] and the Taliban [2] on Twitter?

1: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou... ; https://twitter.com/OfficialNOI

2: https://twitter.com/Zabehulah_M33/status/1343458261459218432

Upgrade your argument!

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by devwastaken on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:25AM (#25730128)
Which 'antifa'? If twitter allows people to organize aggressive violent behavior to violate others rights en mass - then sure ban twitter.

I didn't say twitter or Facebook was better.

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by rightoven9 on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:05AM (#25729785)
You're pretty quick to forget the Autonomous zone in Seattle where people died, or the continuous destruction in Portland over the last few months.

Either Parler and Twitter are both dangerous or neither of them are.

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by bostik on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:36AM (#25731339)
There can be a difference in degree, it's not a binary option.

Personally I think both are dangerous, but thanks to audience self-selection and rules of the platforms, Parler is more dangerous of the two.

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by boredumb on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:03AM (#25729757)
Correct, You obviously forgot the last 8 months where multiple people were killed, federal and private buildings were lit on fire, politicians were assaulted and they setup multiple "autonomous" zones. Perhaps I missed the latest phase of word games where the word 'milkshakes' encapsulates this sort of behavior?
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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by guscost on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:04AM (#25729762)
25 people died in their riots last year.
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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by vorpalhex on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:53AM (#25730563)
Burning down a federal courthouse, burning down a police station, throwing molotov cocktails at federal police...
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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by mountainb on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:54AM (#25729595)
Yes, correct. The users are fine, just change the law to make things like Twitter impractical to run.
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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by albertgoeswoof on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:56AM (#25729632)
back up a little here. I can find Parler on Google. Does that mean google should be shut down and everyone who supports it shut down as well?

Twitter is used for this kind of thing too. So is whatsapp, signal, telegram etc.

Do we ban all Trump marches/meetups just in case those are used as platforms to organize violence? Why don't we just ban meeting up in public for everyone who voted trump because people can use their mouths to arrange violent mobs too.

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Re:70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked ... by devwastaken on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:17AM (#25729999)
Google is not in control of the content on parler. Google does remove websites from it's listings.

There's no relationship in what you're saying. Parler is responsible for content on it's platform. It doesn't matter if it's supposedly "neutral" or not.

Parler is a social media app, not a messaging app like signal. People don't go to signal for their latest fake news, they would go to parler and be swayed by a mob of people that continually build off of each other's aggressive behavior. It was a closed loop of people that didn't like being told they're wrong.

There's nothing neutral about parler either, their user base is no mistake. It's entirely intentional, you can't hide behind "freedom of speech" when you're marketing your platform for this behavior.

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