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Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by dpeck on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:50AM (#25725560)
Completely agree, same thing has led to massive growth of product mangers, product owners, and various other titles that do similar things.

The devs still tend to have to ask a lot of questions to get anywhere useful but in these situations the P* roles at least give them some traction to work from and get movement.

Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by throwaway11121 on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:45AM (#25726321)
Frankly, since I've moved to the Netherlands, every project I worked in seemed to exist exclusively to justify a comfy, lazy job for incompetent Dutch POs, scrum masters,"customer journey experts", copywriters, designers. There is way too much money in this country and an incredible amount of bullshit jobs.
Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by ido on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:40AM (#25727640)
Moved from where? It doesn't sound any different that what you'd get in any western country.
Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by vinay_ys on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:10PM (#25731950)
Sounds like a big company problem. In most startups anywhere in the world, I would think they would be pressed for cash to just hire software engineers.
Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by vinay_ys on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:16PM (#25732085)
Junior engineers and PMs need the software to have a skeletal structure on which they can hang their features. This skeletal structure has to be put together by the lead engineer and lead PM. Usually I see both PMs and engineers churning with bad design when such a clarifying structure is missing or ill-defined or has become broken due to hard pivots in pursuit of business/product-market fit.