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Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by newacct00 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @11:03PM (#25724326)
No, no, no. I literally made an account to comment on how wrong this is. Both sides are biased ignores the little matter of degree. One side is completely unmoored from reality in a way that the other simply isn’t. One side promotes conspiracy theories and lies from the top down.

Both sides is a way to make yourself feel smart without critically examining on a deeper level what those biases are, how widely they’re consumed, and how seriously they’re taken.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by throwaway89715 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @11:57PM (#25724721)
It's clear the U.S. is totally Balkanized. The two sides are living in completely different realities. There can be no discussion between them when the claim is "My side is truthful and your side is full of lies."

Anyone making the claim that his side is the side of truth and justice and the other side is the one of delusions and falsehoods is not looking for healing or reconciliation. He is in search of either total domination of the other side, or divorce, or worse.

The question is: do you think your side will be able to totally dominate the other side? Is it possible to totally dominate 75 million Americans who view your domination as something evil to be opposed, possibly violently?

It seems you're betting it is, and your side will pull it off.

Though I wonder: what is this confidence based upon?

Your side controls the institutions and the cities. What happens when the people outside the cities simply stop listening to what the cities and the institutions say? What happens when the media and academies and federal government can say whatever they like, but everyone outside the metropolises simply starts to ignore them and make their own rules?

This is the real problem with Balkanization: once the dialogue breaks down, everything else starts to break down after it.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by jojobas on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:43AM (#25725057)
This "reality" thing you're talking about is not singular.

Easiest illustration is that Rittenhouse fellow, a brave-ish kid standing for himself in one reality and a cold-blooded murderer in another.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by 0xB31B1B on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:12AM (#25726118)
Rittenhouse, an 17 year old, carried a weapon across state lines to engage in militia activities and shot someone. He was not defending his own house or business. He is a bad guy, and what he did was bad. In the modern world, the state has a monopoly on violence, no roving militias are legitimate uses of force.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by kypro on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:52AM (#25727730)
As far as I'm aware Rittenhouse was acting within his legal rights.

Here is a really good summary from someone with two degress in criminal justice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAz851P8p4

The fact you used the "carried a weapon across state lines" line suggests that you may be consuming biased reports. It's not a crime to carry a weapoon across state lines. He also lived right on the state line and worked in Kenosha. It's not like he drove miles to shoot protestors in some city he has no affiliation to and portraying it like this is dishonest.

He also probably acted within self-defense as is covered in this part of the video I shared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=648&v=dfAz851P8p4

For the record, I think what he did was reckless and dangerous, but the catalyst to this was the riots and looting. Right or wrong you'll find some people will react like this when they feel their neighbourhoods are under attack. You can't expect one group to be violent without some kind of push back from another. The same problem exists with antifa and BLM (not that these groups are a direct comparison). My point is these groups don't exist in a vaccum, they appear when they believe law enforcement and those in power are not doing a good enough job. You have to go a level deeper and ask why BLM protestors are on the street, and why are people are feeling the need to form militas in the first place? If you ignore the causes these events will continue to occur and likely escalate.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by 0xB31B1B on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:59PM (#25734267)
"The fact you used the "carried a weapon across state lines" line suggests that you may be consuming biased reports."

No, its clear. He was not defending his home or his business, he traveled 90 minutes by car to play soldier. It was not his neighborhood that was "under attack" and this wasn't self defense. He was not going about his life when someone threatened him, he went on a mission. He entered a dangerous area with a gun with full knowledge of the range of outcomes.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by cbozeman on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:06AM (#25727339)
If the Founding Fathers wanted the state to have the monopoly on violence, there wouldn't have been a Second Amendment.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by jojobas on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:47AM (#25727687)
In the other reality, nothing you said waived his right to self defence. Law professors are also caught on both sides of this reality rift.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by camhart on Sunday January 10, 2021 @11:23PM (#25724481)
I'm 100% in favor of criticality examining on a deeper level. I'm confused about how you disagree with me or how my comment is wrong. I'm trying to encourage people to listen to both sides.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by rodgerd on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:12AM (#25724838)
On one hand, we have people wearing t-shirts promoting the Holocaust.

On the other hand, we have people that don't.

Clearly we need to listen to the Nazis and debate them in the marketplace of ideas. Is that somewhere in Narnia?

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by ModernMech on Sunday January 10, 2021 @11:38PM (#25724594)
I think what the above poster is reacting to is the distribution of news sources on this chart. It makes it seem like MSNBC and OAN are equal and opposite. I consume news from a great many of these sources. The only actual leftist news source I recognize on here is Jacobin. The New Yorker and MSNBC don't have a lot of content espousing the ideals of socialism and communism.

Meanwhile, you'll be hard pressed to find any daylight between the news sources in the "Right" column and Trumpism.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by camhart on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:41PM (#25736414)
They describe how they come to their ratings at https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-rating-method.... They also describe what it means to be "left" vs "lean left" vs "right" vs "lean right", etc. See https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/left and https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/right (there are also ones for lean l/r, and center).

Now I'm sure these ratings aren't perfect, but I believe they're more accurate than most people's hunches.