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Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by ars on Sunday January 10, 2021 @08:40PM (#25723126)
I agree lies are bad.

But lying is enough to get you banned?

All the discussion up to now was "there's no slippery slope, only calls for violence" will get you banned.

And now it's slipped to lying will get you banned?

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by Bud on Sunday January 10, 2021 @08:47PM (#25723197)
Calling what happened mere "lying" is reductive and completely fails to capture the seriousness of the offense, here.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by Guvante on Sunday January 10, 2021 @10:56PM (#25724271)
You are equating all lies to the be the same and that is not true at all.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by newacct583 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @08:47PM (#25723188)
> I agree lies are bad. But lying is enough to get you banned?

It wasn't on Tuesday. It is now. Things are clearer.

The lies were frankly only the proximate cause. Bannon and his guests have often veered into the kind of violent rhetoric that begat Wednesday's assault on congress. Bringing Giuliani on to continue to inflame people makes it clear Bannon has no intention of stopping. So he's out.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by proc0 on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:45AM (#25725525)
You can't contradict our Dear Leaders, they are always right and know better.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by TheGRS on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:11AM (#25725263)
Maybe go peek at some of Lin Wood's posts then.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by gdulli on Sunday January 10, 2021 @08:50PM (#25723211)
Lying was allowed because it made Google money, and it would have been unqualifiedly allowed until the end of time if it hadn't started getting people killed.

Rest assured, though, lying will continue to be allowed except for this one lie for this one moment in time until this blows over. Google will be happy to let any content through as long as it makes money and they can get away with it without facing consequences.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by dragonsky67 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @10:46PM (#25724187)
So what is the alternative, do we make all media completely responsible for the content that they carry in the same what that you tube is responsible for removing copywrite content that is posted?

Will this not lead to all posts having to be moderated before being published? Do we really want to go down that path, and the inevitable removal of many open discussion forums that will be unable to effectively moderate content?

This is a very difficult problem but I don't think the solution is to hold hosting organisations either legally or morally responsible for the content they carry.

Where does this leave the voice of minority groups that for some reason are seen as "unacceptable" to the majority of the population?

Should a non-religious voice in a religious society be banned from talking just because they express it would be nice if women could drive cars?

Should we ban the gay person who talks about the shitty treatment they get when trying to get medical treatment just because they live in a primarily heterosexual society.

Should we stop a group organising protests against deaths at official hands just because they are really pissed off and there is some potential that official organisation may react badly to the protest.

Personally I find the language and behaviour of your president and his cronies to be completely unacceptable and frankly unhinged. However would you prefer them standing in public sprouting their rubbish where we can all hear them and point out the ridiculousness of their words, or would you prefer to have them hide away in private, able to say whatever they want with no chance of opposing voice?

I don't really know what the answer to this movement is. I know one of the answers is better education, teaching people critical thinking, but I don't know that this is going to be something that happens quickly. What I do know is that you can never win somebody to your point of view unless you actually engage with them, rather than just tell them they are wrong and cut them off.

To quote a song that escapes me at the moment, we need to "Keep on Talking"!

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by meekmockmook on Sunday January 10, 2021 @09:03PM (#25723346)
This is the ugly truth. Big Tech has monetized hate since 2014 by guiding users to extremist content. Their algorithms were designed to create profit above all. The cost? Democracy.

Do not let GAFA evade responsibility just because they're scrambling to pull the plug after 7 years of digital sectarian chaos.