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Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by eloff on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:55PM (#25718110)
Public education in the US is awful and lags nearly the entire developed world.

Humanities degrees are not terribly useful, but boiling all education down to humanities degrees is a blatant strawman that signals a lot about your willingness to have a nuanced discussion.

I think it's fairly self evident that investment in the future is what improves the future and education is probably the most important and significant such investment.

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by AndrewUnmuted on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:25PM (#25720070)
I'm not entirely clear on how many nations are able to be compared with the US within the developed world.

Given its size, configuration, and geopolitical contexts, the US has few comparable nations against which we can test. I guess we can say Russia is closest, followed by Canada & Mexico, then the entire EU and the CCP. India maybe?

> boiling all education down to humanities degrees is a blatant strawman

No, it isn't. The other nations I just listed by comparison churn out very few humanities degrees. What people choose to do with their privilege of going to college is a relevant data point, which feeds back into the quality of the education system overall.

> signals a lot about your willingness to have a nuanced discussion.

Let's not go around insinuating such things when you yourself started this conversation off failing to address the nuances of comparing the US against other "developed world" countries.

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by eloff on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:44PM (#25721020)
Are you the OP posting under a different account?

> Given its size, configuration, and geopolitical contexts, the US has few comparable nations against which we can test.

Why does country size affect academic performance of students?

Russia, China, India, and Mexico are not developed nations. I wouldn't compare their educational results with the US. I'd be more interested in Canada, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, and the European nations. The USA compares near the bottom of this list.

> No, it isn't. The other nations I just listed by comparison churn out very few humanities degrees.

You used humanities degrees as a strawman argument in the OP. You asserting you did not do that is just a waste of effort. Perhaps you need to look up what a strawman argument is?

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by AndrewUnmuted on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:31AM (#25730205)
> Are you the OP posting under a different account?

No... are you?

That's easily the strangest question I have ever been asked on HN.

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by inglor_cz on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:23PM (#25720042)
Good education system does not neatly translate to, say, economic success.

Italy has top-class university system, much older than Columbus, and yet the country seems to be stuck in stagnation for last 20 years and the talented fresh graduates of those top schools move abroad.

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by eloff on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:38PM (#25720917)
I would say it's one very important factor among others. Ray Dalio outlines many of the factors involved in nations rising and falling, including education in a freely available online book. I've found it an interesting read, although he takes a while to get to the point.[1]

[1] https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by ImprovedSilence on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:32AM (#25724971)
You still need a government that can get out of it's own way, legislatively, while still providing an environment (or the right incentives for one) where business can and does get done.
Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by eloff on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:03AM (#25728950)
Among many things. Recent governments in the US have been very ineffective. Legislators are more interested in making each other look bad than actually doing their job.
Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by j0ba on Sunday January 10, 2021 @06:20PM (#25721473)
> Good education system does not neatly translate to, say, economic success.

If you think anyone said that, you should probably talk less and read more. Because it doesn't appear you're competent in either.

Education is necessary but not sufficient.

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by eloff on Sunday January 10, 2021 @06:38PM (#25721677)
That's a bit harsh. The OP has a good point, and he's not mischaracterizing anyone's argument. Please re-read the HN guidelines about being civil.