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Re:Peer-reviewed study suggests that lockdowns have little e... by LatteLazy on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:52PM (#25717269)
I never said it was impossible. Quite the opposite: Australia managed it (also, an anglo nation with popularist right wing government, a shitty press etc).

Choosing not to do something is not the same as not being able to do it.

If our "leaders" mastered have the effort for this that we put into the war on drugs or tax cuts for the Uber rich or even farm subsidies, we'd all be in the pub by now.

Edit:

I think issues like this are difficult exactly because we cannot have a compromise solution. A compromise solution (lots of lockdown but not effective lockdown) is worst for everyone.

Re:Peer-reviewed study suggests that lockdowns have little e... by apatters on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:17PM (#25717602)
Mastering lockdowns certainly does not guarantee that everyone gets to go back to the pub. Once you end the lockdown the spread just starts again and you're back at square one.

The WHO has been clear in their recommendation since the beginning. Building effective test/trace/isolate capacity is how you control the spread of Covid. Is there a limited and brief role for lockdowns, business closures, forced stay at home etc., yes in extreme circumstances. Long term no.

I am just paraphrasing the WHO here, and of course anyone is free to disagree with them, but they're hardly known as a paragon of right wing populism.

https://mobile.twitter.com/who/status/1316020010540625920?la...

They have been putting out publications which say this since, if memory serves, March (or maybe even earlier).

Re:Peer-reviewed study suggests that lockdowns have little e... by LatteLazy on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:29PM (#25717778)
It's not really true that lockdown cannot open the pubs again, take Australia. Their pubs are open. All because they mastered lockdown.

When a case occurs they close for a bit. But they're open 90% of the time. That a lot more of the time than uk pubs are managing.

I'd accept a working test and trace program too. Like Singapore used.

Don't think me greedy but... We could even do both, as we have more resources than Aus and Singapore combined and we've had a lot more time to do all this.

Once again, I have to ask: why hasn't my government managed such a thing? Could it be that it's impossible (despite Singapore having done it) or are they just too complacent?

Instead were stuck with the shitty parts of a long lockdown (closed pubs) without achieving the desired outcomes (single digit daily death rates).