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Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by paganel on Sunday January 10, 2021 @07:08AM (#25713900)
>at the 25+ crowd with fresh degrees, tons of debt and not-precisely-excellent earning opportunities

There are numerous studies and theories saying that late 19th-early 20th century revolutions wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been coordinated by educated people who hadn't found a stable job (mostly as government employees, not that many private white-collar jobs back then). The Russian revolution definitely wouldn't have happened without university-educated Lenin and Trotsky, and I'd say that even Stalin falls under "educated but with no stable job" umbrella (if I'm not mistaken he had gone to a priest seminary).

In my country (Romania) most of the inter-war intellectuals had turned extremists for exactly that reason, i.e. too few white-collar jobs to chase for people who had finished university. The most well-known examples are guys like Eliade or Cioran, but a more relevant one is Corneliu Zelea-Codreanu [1], which is currently well liked by some people in the US [2] and in Northern Italy [3]. A very relevant book on the subject can be found here [4], unfortunately for the time being with no English translation.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corneliu_Zelea_Codreanu

[2] https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-charlottesvil...

[3] https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2018/11/20/news/lealta_azi...

[4] https://www.amazon.com/Limitele-Meritocratiei-Intro-Societat...

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by Izkata on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:22PM (#25718533)
Kinda fits the current US situation too: The political violence isn't as new as a lot of people seem to believe - it started years ago, on college/university campuses. While that early violence was done by the students, several times people got videos of their professors in the crowd helping to coordinate.

Once that became normalized it spilled off campus and grew into what we're seeing now.

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by vladTheInhaler on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:36PM (#25719428)
Ahhh yes. Look at all the university students and professors who just stormed the capitol building in full tactical gear. Really everything bad is all the left's fault. Somehow.
Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by strombofulous on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:52PM (#25719641)
This is such a ridiculously uncharitable interpretation of what the person you're replying to said. It makes me feel like I'm on twitter
Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by vladTheInhaler on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:00PM (#25719744)
Alright, why don't you start by explaining what you think they mean by "what we're seeing now", or by "violence done by the students", and how those things are causally linked?
Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by strombofulous on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:54PM (#25720413)
Instead of letting you shift the goalposts, I'll explain why I think it was uncharitable.

Imo, it is very clear that the OP was not trying to imply that the students/professors were the ones personally or even indirectly involved in these riots. I also feel that it is clear that they were not trying to say that the students were nessicary doing anything wrong. They were replying to their parent comment which was discussing the effects that education had on Russian revolutionary leaders, and connected that same discussion to what we see today.

Do you think that they're wrong? Are they missing something critical? Reply to that instead of complaining about how it AlwAYs ComES bACk tO thE LefT.

If the facts make a certain group look bad, arguing that it's unfair to make that group look bad doesn't add anything. Add your own insight to the conversation and tell us why you think it's wrong or more nuanced

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by drewwwwww on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:19PM (#25719995)
that’s because you’ve fallen for their dogwhistle. nothing like what they described actually occurred, and blaming college students is coded language to allude to the manufactured and not-so-secretly anti-semitic boogie man of “cultural marxism”.
Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by anewaccount2021 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:56PM (#25718139)
All of the Bolsheviks were well-read. Even their token thug, Stalin, was probably reading political theory at what we would describe as a doctoral level. While Lenin did not respect Stalin as an intellectual peer, we do know that he spent a great deal of time pouring over dense political tomes. No TV, radio, internet...people read books to entertain themselves.

But, to put a fine point on it, the Russian Revolution happened without Lenin or Trotsky. The Bolsheviks overthrew the February Revolution in a coup.

Re:Will the US experience a violent upheaval in 2020? (2012) by inglor_cz on Sunday January 10, 2021 @07:20AM (#25713973)
Hello fellow Central European :-)

In interwar Czechoslovakia, we had quite a few intellectuals who were openly Stalinist.