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Re:Wikipedia is 20 by elliotec on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:42AM (#25711509)
Why do you say that? Are there examples of inaccuracies in it's mathematics articles? What do you wish were better about it? What IS better than it?
Re:Wikipedia is 20 by cyphar on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:55AM (#25711662)
In order to understand most Wikipedia mathematics articles you need to already be well versed in the topic you're looking up. Even after finishing a Physics degree I struggle to understand the derivations of common physics equations because they use far more advanced concepts than necessary to demonstrate their point.
Re:Wikipedia is 20 by elliotec on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:03AM (#25711720)
So, should it have all the foundational build-ups to get to an understanding of the topic? I think that'd be amazing but quite difficult given it took you however many years to get that degree, and I can barely get a computer to do basic arithmetic for me.
Re:Wikipedia is 20 by cyphar on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:17AM (#25711837)
That's not my point. My point is that to understand a fairly rudimentary topic using only Wikipedia you already have to understand post-grad mathemarics concepts because the derivation and terminology is needlessly contrived because the editors are usually post-grads writing as though the article is for other post-grads. There are countless examples but I'm on my phone at the moment.
Re:Wikipedia is 20 by elliotec on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:31AM (#25711936)
Hmm. Maybe these post-grads are on their phone too writing about very complicated mathematics that to a post-grad might seem rudimentary.

The beauty is that nothing prevents YOU from adding clarity to these "needlessly contrived" concepts... so what's stopping folks like you from contributing?

Re:Wikipedia is 20 by cyphar on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:56AM (#25712112)
I'd be far too worried about being incorrect when describing a derivation. I also studied physics not maths but the same goes for physics articles.

I think post-docs are probably better suited for accurate explanations but at the same time they are (at least, fairly often) not as good at explaining a concept using a simpler framework.

The other problem is that because different editors write maths articles, related concepts can use fairly different terminology or concepts with similar derivations use different derivations leading to possible confusion about how concepts are related.

Re:Wikipedia is 20 by megameter on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:57AM (#25711676)
It's not that the mathematics wiki articles are wrong, it's that they aren't particularly well organized to accommodate all skill levels. If you don't already know what concepts you're looking for it can be a jumble. That said, wiki plus textbook is better than either alone.
Re:Wikipedia is 20 by elliotec on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:03AM (#25711725)
What should they do differently?