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Re:AVIF support enabled by default in Firefox 86 by jiggawatts on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:00AM (#25711115)
> The one group highly unlikely to blame here is web standards bodies

I'm pretty sure I can blame a web standards body for not standardising colour management for the web!

The colour space of embedded images is no longer the only concern, and is not separate from the colours as defined in CSS, SVG, and Canvas to name a few.

Not to mention that even greyscale images need colour management because Macs, PCs, and Televisions all use different gamma curves.

W3C's efforts have been so underwhelming that Apple, the "bastion" of web standards support has been forced to come up with a non-standard extension: https://webkit.org/blog/10042/wide-gamut-color-in-css-with-d...

Of course, their extension supports exactly two colour spaces: sRGB and Display P3, because fuck everyone else who isn't using an iDevice or a Mac, am I right?

If I sound salty, it's because I'm a photographer, and as such it grinds my gears that it is literally impossible to use wide-gamut images on the web for any purpose without degrading quality for a substantial fraction of the viewers. I fully expect this to be resolved satisfactorily some time in the 2030s, perhaps the 2040s. Any decade now...

Re:AVIF support enabled by default in Firefox 86 by pbowyer on Sunday January 10, 2021 @08:13AM (#25714364)
As a former photographer, I agree.

I found this article on fidelity vs appeal handy, especially to illuminate the problems with AVIF's algorithm when you are showing off photos.

https://cloudinary.com/blog/what_to_focus_on_in_image_compre...

I'm waiting for JPEG-XL. And then color management after that.

Re:AVIF support enabled by default in Firefox 86 by whereistimbo on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:22AM (#25711342)
W3C? Isn't WHATWG the standard that everybody follows?
Re:AVIF support enabled by default in Firefox 86 by epse on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:09AM (#25712637)
Yes but also sort of no? It's a whole can of worms, which Web standard is done by who
Re:AVIF support enabled by default in Firefox 86 by arp242 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:08AM (#25713043)
I think we need a standard to specify which standards organisation to use.
Re:AVIF support enabled by default in Firefox 86 by psee on Monday January 18, 2021 @02:26AM (#25819183)
Let's start with a working group