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Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by eyelidlessness on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:59PM (#25708712)
Basically the whole proposition of parler was that it was a refuge for alt-right/proto-fash/actual-fash who perceive moderation on other platforms to be stifling. Yeah, I’d wager the vast majority of Parler users are either involved in the kinds of shit that finally tipped the scales or giving it safe haven.

Even if not, why is Apple or any other organization obligated to host them?

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by smsm42 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:22PM (#25709069)
> Yeah, I’d wager the vast majority of Parler users are either involved in the kinds of shit

You lost your wager. Majority of Parler users are not. If you dig enough, you can find shit - just as easy as on Twitter or Facebook, which hosts hundreds of violent groups and thousands of stupid comments which can be interpreted as advocating violence, though in 99.9% of cases it's just people being stupid on the internet - but majority of the users aren't that. It's just regular people who happen to be to the right of Jack Dorsey politically.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by eyelidlessness on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:58PM (#25709669)
This is Hacker News. Do I really need to explain that sentences clearly delineated with punctuation, with clause-joining words like “either” and “or” are an atomic thought meant to be consumed in full?

You even quoted “either” and cropped off “or”.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by smsm42 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:32PM (#25710077)
I have no idea what "giving it safe haven" in the context of social media site means (am I "giving safe haven" for everybody that ever posted on HN? am I responsible for every comment ever posted on HN?) so in the interest of sanity I answered the part which is not obviously nonsensical, since X or false == X.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by eyelidlessness on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:44AM (#25710908)
On a site like HN, those kinds of behavior are moderated and known to be unwelcome. On Parler, it’s well known that they’re tolerated and implicitly welcome. Participating without challenging that is giving it a veneer of legitimacy, sheltering it, and lending plausible deniability to a platform clearly designed for them.

Even a completely galaxy brain position on speech that promotes private platforms which must allow completely unmoderated content actively promoting and organizing violence... hanging out with the people doing that is tacit endorsement.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by smsm42 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:26AM (#25712302)
You didn't talk about moderators - you talked about users.

> Participating without challenging that is giving it a veneer of legitimacy

That's bullshit, and moreover, this is asinine and dangerous bullshit. Any idiot can write anything on a public site, and there's no moderation team in the world that can police everything with 100% accuracy. Facebook and Twitter, despite millions spent on moderation, are full of hateful content and host hundreds of violent groups. Twitter used to host Hamas and Hezbollah until 2019. Does it mean every single Twitter user until 2019 were sheltering terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah? This is just idiotic. Of course no user can know who else writes what on a large public service, and no user owes to anyone to police the content of large public service. It makes as much sense as demanding me to police the speech of everyone in my city or move out. Only my city has a million people and twitter has hundreds of millions - so it's more like either you police the speech of everyone in your country or you must emigrate. Or you are responsible for everything anybody ever said within your country. As I said, utterly asinine, idiotic and dangerous. I am not talking about specialized forums that are explicitly declared as belonging to particular movement - like Stormfront - I am talking about generic platform that is open to anybody and hosts millions.

> and lending plausible deniability to a platform clearly designed for them.

This is example of circular logic. You declare that Parler is platform for specific kind of bad people, and when you're pointed out that vast majority of the users aren't those people you claim the platform is "clearly designed" for a tiny minority and all the vast majority is just "gives plausible deniability" to them. It's like claiming the whole USA is built to enable the Zodiac Killer, and everything all the people do is just giving him veneer of legitimacy and that's the point of whole USA existing. That's how you are sounding.

> they’re tolerated and implicitly welcome

It is telling that you said "implicitly". That means you have no proof they are, but pretend to read minds of Parler users and administrators. Too bad it is explicitly knows internet telepathy does not work. On Parler, all the speech that does not violate the law is tolerated (even though it is not endorsed, or agreed with, of course). As it should be on every free platform. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's called "free speech", and once it was a value of America. Not anymore, of course.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by blisterpeanuts on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:50PM (#25709556)
Maybe try reading some actual postings on Parler? It might surprise you.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by eyelidlessness on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:59PM (#25709687)
Bunch of good apples happy to coexist with the bad ones? I accounted for that.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by ekianjo on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:46AM (#25710928)
> Yeah, I’d wager the vast majority of Parler users are either involved in the kinds of shit that finally tipped the scales or giving it safe haven.

Where is the data please, instead of wild guesses?

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by lawnchair_larry on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:10PM (#25708895)
No, that was not the proposition of Parler, and it was specifically against the TOS and still is.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by Barrin92 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:50PM (#25709547)
If they actually enforced their TOS 90% of their extremist userbase would leave, which is why a post about shooting Mike Pence by one of their most followed users could stay up for days until Apple threatened them.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by lawnchair_larry on Sunday January 10, 2021 @07:12PM (#25722101)
“Hang Mike Pence” was trending at the top of twitter. Now what?

They’re a pre-series A startup with a very small staff. If people don’t report things, it’s not feasible to expect that they’ll all be actioned. Instead of reporting the post, activists with an agenda thought it better to cherry pick them and attack platforms. A more honest test would have been to report the content and see if they acted on it. But let’s not kid ourselves, this campaign was disingenuous from the beginning. The real goal is to shut down a perceived enemy in the culture war.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by eyelidlessness on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:27PM (#25709166)
And yet, it’s where the people who value that proposition keep flocking. It’s almost like they understand some subtext about the service and its intent.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by dashundchen on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:10PM (#25709812)
Didn't stop the attack on the Capitol being organized there. In fact there is another attack being organized there for the inauguration. There are many far-right watch groups tracking this.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by ekianjo on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:47AM (#25710952)
> Didn't stop the attack on the Capitol being organized there.

If it were organized on Telegram would you ban Telegram? If it was organized by phone would you ban phones? This is just silly.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by dashundchen on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:02AM (#25711717)
Perhaps telegram should crack down on these channels during this crisis, yes. Parler made no attempt to turn down the temperature by removing calls for murder, assasination, or civil war.

These platforms are at this moment currently being used to mass hype up an increasingly armed and paranoid segment of the population hyped up on years of cult-like propoganda, conspiracy, and dehumanizing of their imagined enemies. It was a stroke of luck they did not take out Congress the other day, I'm sure some will try again.

If you want a clue where this ends up unabated and exploited, I encourage you to look into the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by conception on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:22PM (#25709076)
TOS doesn’t mean anything if they aren’t enforced.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by lawnchair_larry on Sunday January 10, 2021 @07:14PM (#25722117)
They are. Go ahead and report something, then let us know how long it stays up.

People organize violence on twitter almost every single day.