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Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by shadowgovt on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:27PM (#25708152)
I'd compare it to the "red scare," except at no point during that era did "reds" storm Congress and set up a noose outside.

Red-caps, on the other hand...

Perhaps there is a situation where a society says "no further" and is correct to actively shun a political stance. In fact, that's been true in the US for decades... It's real hard to be a KKK chapter without pulling a lot of FBI scrutiny.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by snowwrestler on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:38PM (#25709352)
This is in fact how a “marketplace of ideas” is supposed to work. Marketplace does not mean everyone gets a protected place to play forever and ever. Marketplace means winners and losers. A marketplace of ideas means some ideas win and some lose.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by blisterpeanuts on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:00PM (#25709689)
Except that in this marketplace, someone is wandering around, deleting the ideas that they disagree with.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by Mtinie on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:14AM (#25710565)
Isn’t that an outcome of the “win and lose” part of the GP’s commentary?

Strong ideologies generate enthusiasm, build momentum, evolve the existing social mores to be compatible with the tenets of the ideology, which ultimately starve the losing ideologies of adherents.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by ekianjo on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:54AM (#25711045)
> Isn’t that an outcome of the “win and lose” part of the GP’s commentary?

If it's a marketplace of ideas, the current situation is equivalent to monopolies stamping on startups to prevent them from ever becoming competitors. An actual marketplace of ideas would work without censorship in the first place, like it used to. Note that most minorities right now who obtained civil rights would never have been able to claim them had they be silenced from the get go.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by pashamur on Sunday January 10, 2021 @06:39AM (#25713695)
> If it's a marketplace of ideas, the current situation is equivalent to monopolies stamping on startups to prevent them from ever becoming competitors. An actual marketplace of ideas would work without censorship in the first place, like it used to. Note that most minorities right now who obtained civil rights would never have been able to claim them had they be silenced from the get go.

The fundamental problem is that truth and lies don't operate on the same playing field. If we can make an assumption that the game is being played fairly within the marketplace of ideas (people are being reasonable and accepting rational arguments), then the marketplace works as intended. If certain actors are subverting that system by design, then you cannot have an unmoderated idea-sphere, unfortunately. Studying some Nazi and Communist propaganda techniques should certainly convince you of that (and how effective they are when applied against a gullible populace).

There is no good solution to this, unfortunately. Once a radical movement takes over the idea-sphere moderation and certain censorship is sadly inevitable & needed. Something akin to Denazification in post WWII Germany (which specifically and forcefully suppressed any Nazi ideology from the mainstream)

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by dabbledash on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:34PM (#25708247)
“Perhaps there is a situation where a society says "no further" and is correct to actively shun a political stance.”

Just remember that we live in a world where a subset of people genuinely believed Obama is a Stalinist. Once you define whatever is beyond the pale, people will just shove everything they don’t like into that bucket.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by shadowgovt on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:36PM (#25708297)
They still believe it. And yes, when these times come, people get forced to get off the fence and prove they aren't part of the problem.

But these times do come. Congress was attacked. Threats need to be identified, and quickly.

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by AuryGlenz on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:15PM (#25708972)
What about when the Black Panthers brought guns into the California state Capitol?

Should society have said “no further?”

Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by grzm on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:18PM (#25709016)
Society did. That, in part, motivated gun control laws that followed. Signed by Governor Reagan and supported by the NRA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by pmiller2 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:19PM (#25709031)
They did. That's when California started going big on gun control.
Re:Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler by alphabettsy on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:08AM (#25711191)
You don’t realize what happened in the years following?