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Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance by kodah on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:58PM (#25704077)
If we make the right own their extremists in terms of rhetoric, action, and ideology then I think the same standard is appropriate for the left. The only people that complain about "both sides" points are people who can't introspect their own ideologies.

All you've done here is ask that people on the right ignore your fringe groups, but would you do the same? Or would you do what they're doing and engage in hyperbole to make you deal with them?

Both your parties are junk to me, so I'm happy to keep saying "both sides" until you all get your bad behavior under control.

Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance by betterunix2 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:21PM (#25704306)
Get back to me when the most powerful Democratic politicians in the country throw their support behind violent extremists. The fringes of left wing politics have been kept at the fringe. For the past five years, if not longer, the extremist fringe of right wing politics has been allowed to enter the mainstream of the Republican party. The Republican President has endorsed them, encouraged them, praised them, and defended them, and the RNC just declared him to be their party's leader after what happened on Wednesday.

Nobody needs to "make" the right own their extremists because they have done so already.

Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance by kodah on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:24PM (#25704913)
The CHAZ is a good example that was well supported and well tolerated, even championed. [0]

> On June 18, a volunteer medic intervened during a sexual assault in a tent in the occupied park area; the alleged perpetrator was arrested.[133] NPR reported that day, "Nobody inside the protest zone thinks a police return would end peacefully. Small teams of armed anti-fascists are also present, self-proclaimed community defense forces who say they're ready to fight if needed but that de-escalation is preferred."

Spenser Rapone, who attempted to infiltrate the US Military, received notable support and has gone on to be a speaker at events [1][2]

This gives a better spectrum picture of what's going on [3] and this statement sums it up fairly well:

> According to Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at the California State University, if Reinoehl is implicated in the case, "it would mark the first time in recent years that an antifa supporter has been charged with homicide" as "hard-left violence has generally been less fatal and more directed towards property, racists and to a lesser extent police and journalists" which is unlike "the white supremacist and the far right, which glorifies mass violence by loners and small cells against minorities and enemies". Gary LaFree, chairman of the University of Maryland's criminology department, stated that "the case could potentially be included in the university's Global Terrorism Database as the first act of terror linked to antifa".

Left-wing radicalist groups tend to be self-organizing cells which makes them hard to track, much like the group Anonymous from back in the early days of the internet. This has precedent through history as well. [4]

The way your message and my message differ is that I'm not going to provide rhetorical cover fire for either of your groups. They're both disgusting and you both need to own them, because you all provided the foundation or lack of accountability that gave them material presence and impact.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone#D...

[1] https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/06/19/commie-c...

[2] https://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/local-man-west-point-grad-...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur...

[4] https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/

Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance by accented on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:17PM (#25704854)
>Get back to me when the most powerful Democratic politicians in the country throw their support behind violent extremists.

They already do. Barack was training and arming "moderate" rebels in the takeover and destruction of Egypt, Libya, and Syria. Hillary Clinton was laughing when she heard Gaddafi was killed.