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Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by iso1210 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @06:22AM (#25699489)
Israel has managed to give the first shot to 20% of its population, and at this rate will be into herd immunity territory by the end of the month.

As far as pressures on healthcare systems though, once over 65s have been vaccinated (and the northern winter ends) the pressures pretty much vanish.

> Similar to how we’ve never really admitted that people who’ve had COVID are immune and can no longer spread it.

Well we don't know that. In many cases the virus reproduces and spreads without any symptoms. If the spread occurs before the immune system kicks in you could still be a carrier even though the vaccine makes your symptoms pretty much zero.

Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by zaroth on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:06AM (#25700886)
> Well we don't know that. In many cases the virus reproduces and spreads without any symptoms.

We know that asymptomatic people who are not immune can possibly spread the virus. But that’s a slightly different question.

We know that it’s very rare for someone with antibodies to be symptomatically reinfected with COVID. That’s also a slightly different question.

The specific question on the likelihood of someone with natural immunity to be able to later spread COVID without a symptomatic infection;

I’ve never heard of a single confirmed case of this happening. And the point is not that it never happens, the point is it’s a negligible risk. Smaller than, for example, someone who isn’t immune who is wearing a mask.

But from a public policy perspective, we’ll never actually admit this, just because the second order effects — where some people can rightfully walk around without a mask and are rightfully not subject to mitigations and lockdowns - are political untenable.

Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by selimthegrim on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:39AM (#25701802)
Well more the idea that immunity passports bring back memories of really bad old societal sequelae from the yellow fever days
Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by iso1210 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:14PM (#25702860)
Yellow fever days? You mean before international travel mostly stopped?

I have to show my yellow piece of paper with the stamp from my jab when I travel to several countries, most recently Nigeria

Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by selimthegrim on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:40PM (#25703848)
In antebellum New Orleans, people would often try to get infected with yellow fever as soon as they got here to get it over with so if they survived they could claim immunity.
Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by Aachen on Saturday January 09, 2021 @06:56AM (#25699643)
"once winter ends" I've been wondering about that. In June things were just great, but at the same time our health agency (RIVM) claims COVID-19 is not affected by seasons. Are they lying (since they're saying "is not" instead of "might not" / "unknown"), or was what happened around June a coincidence?
Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by graeme on Saturday January 09, 2021 @08:49AM (#25700293)
On what basis are they saying it? Every single other coronavirus is seasonal, so I don’t see why this one wouldn’t be.

Have a look at hcov’s seasonality in figure 2 here: https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-virology-0...

“It’s not seasonal” is one of the mantras health agencies repeated in february, along with “masks aren’t shown to work” and “it doesn’t” spread by aerosol.

My guess is your health agency simply hasn’t re-examined their beliefs as evidence came in.

Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by GuB-42 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:43AM (#25699909)
I can't believe it is not a bit seasonal, whatever the reason is.

First wave ended in June in the northern hemisphere and started in the southern hemisphere at about the same time. We are seeing a similar shift in the second wave.

It can be a coincidence but since people are more likely to stay inside when it is cold outside, and transmission is more likely inside, it makes sense.

Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by hutzlibu on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:58AM (#25700000)
"It can be a coincidence"

Since the cold season is usually when it is cold outside, yeah. Might be more than coincidence.

Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by iso1210 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @08:33AM (#25700191)
More non-covid hospital pressure in winter. More people inside.
Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by eli_gottlieb on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:44PM (#25708422)
Easier in summer to just open every window and get enough of a breeze that it's harder to infect people.
Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by gomjabbar on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:55PM (#25705250)
Hello from summer in Australia right now
Re:Pfizer vaccine appears effective against mutation in new ... by iso1210 on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @09:51AM (#25762644)
NZ doesn't count as there's no cases. Austrialia has big problems in Austrailian 'winter', July through September, when daily cases were far higher