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Re:You've Been Referred Here Because You're Wrong About Sect... by heavyset_go on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:36AM (#25698666)
> Wouldn't repealing Section 230 mean more censorship and restrictions as the liability would be too great to be on the hook for what some random account might decide to publish, no?

Yes, no one is going to run a service that hosts user created content if doing so means that they can be raided by the FBI in the middle of the night should a user find it funny to upload illegal content to a company's servers.

Only entities that can throw millions or billions of dollars at censoring illegal content would take on the risk of hosting user uploaded content on their own servers.

Re:You've Been Referred Here Because You're Wrong About Sect... by drawkbox on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:37AM (#25699864)
> Yes, no one is going to run a service that hosts user created content if doing so means that they can be raided by the FBI in the middle of the night should a user find it funny to upload illegal content to a company's servers.

Which that ends up in regulatory capture areas that prevent new competition and innovation.

Taken beyond digital content, making the producer of a service or good liable for what a user/consumer may do is a horrible precedent. If any crime is committed or problematic content uploaded, the user is committing the crime and responsible for the content not the whole service.

Already there are massive moderation services that are here and more coming. Is this something we really want beyond just removing content that incites violence or is illegal and taken down when notified. Trying to pre-empt everyone's user generated content and take it down is problematic for many reasons including competition and allowing smaller/medium players in the game.

Most of the systems are sufficient that just have reporting that can be removed by users if the content does violate rights rules like inciting violence, illegal content or copyright infringement.

We all know how auto AI driven or and overzealous competition falsely reporting moderation can end up with systems like Youtube's copyright strike system, essentially a harshly tunes and easily exploited system by bad actors.

We have to be very careful and it is safer on the side of less moderation and blaming users not the service. If we don't, big players already established could easily use this as regulatory capture and even stifle competition by merely uploading content to competitive services that will then get them in trouble.

Wholesale shutting down services or making the barrier to entry too high and costly with massive moderation services that amount to regulatory capture will prevent competition and stifle freedoms, instead of blaming users that are creating the problems, that is the wrong way. If we blame the services we can end up with a chilling effect on sharing ideas, information and content besides just obliterating competition.

We are going to turn the internet and freedom into an authoritarian Vogon-tastic bureaucratic Borg if we aren't careful. A hands-off system, with reporting or blocking systems for content that is offensive/illegal which are already common, is the best way. We don't want any of that Vogon poetry.

Any system of sufficient size will have bad things, you deal with those bad things individually not shut the whole thing down.

Karl Popper's take on this:

> The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re:You've Been Referred Here Because You're Wrong About Sect... by teorema on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:59AM (#25700842)
This is the very sort of thing that led to the creation of common carrier status, with the tradeoffs involved. It seems to me to be the solution with ISPs and net neutrality, and there probably should be something similar with sites like Twitter (which is probably the point of Section 230).

I personally feel like moderation has gone way too far with social media, even though I'm far from politically conservative and definitely not a supporter of Trump. I think sites should lose some protected status if they start moderating excessively, as an incentive to moderate even less. Conversely, I think they should be granted a degree of immunity if they do.

Re:You've Been Referred Here Because You're Wrong About Sect... by zuminator on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:16AM (#25700969)
A difference between common carriers like the phone company and the post office vs. internet websites is that your communication on common carriers is usually private. There's no reason for any moderation to take place.

Whereas on a web forum such as this, moderation is necessary for conversations to not descend into chaos.

Frankly I don't understand why people think moderation has gone too far. Is it that e.g. Twitter shouldn't be allowed to silence unpopular opinions because silencing unpopular opinions is always bad? Or is it that it's bad because Twitter is huge and influential. Would you have a problem with someone silencing a gun control fanatic who has appeared unwelcome on their private little gun collectors' website?