All of the alleged "fraud" is easy to debunk with a bit of google searching. You refuse to do so, so I question your agenda.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/facebook-p...

You literally didn't read some combination of my sources, my comment, or the article you linked, and they prove you false.

The article you linked says that the ballots were processed "legally". I explicitly said that they were probably processed legally, but intentionally deceitfully.

The article says that a claim that was debunked was that the ballots were kept in "suitcases". I never claimed that they were - nor does my argument rest on that claim.

The article says that an Richard Barron claims that "No announcement was ever made to leave, for anyone to leave", which was not a sworn statement, and is directly contradicted by the sources I already linked: two sworn statements, and (at least) two articles by independent news stations, including 11Alive, which is one of the stations mentioned in the article you linked, and ABC News[1] - meaning that the Fulton County elections director straight-up lied - at which point, why should we trust anything else coming from the Fulton County elections team?

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-ca...

The Chief Investigator of Georgia's SoS had this to say in a sworn affidavit:

https://news.yahoo.com/georgias-top-election-investigator-de...

I'm all for transparency, verification, and audits, and think we need to ditch all electronics and go all paper, with tons of observation, but there's no there there in all this "fraud". If you are propagating this now it is because you have an agenda oblique to democracy.

"Gabriel Sterling, a top Georgia election official, said Friday that election investigators had watched all the surveillance video from State Farm Arena in Atlanta, not just the 90 seconds Rudy Giuliani's legal team showed in a Georgia Senate subcommittee hearing, and they found that the "suitcases" were regular ballot boxes on wheels and the vote count was supervised until the end. Trump's team is "intentionally misleading the public about what happened at State Farm Arena on election night," Sterling said. "These aren't magical ballots."

You're wrong. The accusations are wrong. Our judges, some Trump appointees, said the accusations are baseless. Stop buying into bullshit because reality is uncomfortable.

You can't break the site guidelines like that and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25690702 regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. You also can't use HN primarily for political battle [1], regardless of which politics you're battling. That's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

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[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

It doesn't matter whether the containers were "hidden" or not as long as they were counted without observers present. This is pedantry to the point of intentionally avoiding the point.

You didn't read the other sources I linked, which contain sworn statements from two observers, as well as articles published by several news stations stating that observers (and news) were told to go home because they were done for the night. Resuming counting after observers and news have left is intentionally deceitful, and no rational person actually interested in a fair democratic system would claim otherwise.

> liar

Assuming ill intent. You aren't interested in holding a dicussion, just labelling. Typical anti-intellectualism coming from the political party that won the election.

> seditionist

Look up the definiton of that word before using it: "Overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward rebellion against the established order." Mind-blowingly false - I neither said nor implied any sort of rebellion. You're literally just using the worst labels you can think of, without any truth to them whatsoever, to avoid actual conversation.

> It doesn't matter whether the containers were "hidden"

Then don't write hidden? Just write 'ballots'. Or write 'ballots that were sealed because the counting stopped, but then re-opened when the counting resumed'.

> You didn't read the other sources I linked, which contain sworn statements from two observers, as well as articles published by several news stations stating that observers (and news) were told to go home because they were done for the night.

Yes. Thats what the video in the tweet said. Thats basically what I wrote when I described what the video said.

> You aren't interested in holding a dicussion, just labelling. Typical anti-intellectualism coming from the political party that won the election.

The source that you cited contradicted your claim of 'hidden ballots'. You are a liar.

> The source that you cited contradicted your claim of 'hidden ballots'. You are a liar.

This is false. You need to also look up the definition of "liar" - it exclusively refers to intentional deception. I did not intentionally deceive you - I just thought that they were hidden when they were not.

You're zero for two while acting in the most malicious way possible. Perhaps try taking a step back and not only looking up words before you use them, but stop assuming the worst about people who disagree with you.

I've banned this account. Creating accounts to do political flamewar is not allowed here, and will get your main account banned as well, so please don't.

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Would you take another look at the account you are replying to here?