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Re:Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” by Diederich on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:07PM (#25688691)
> please don't judge me

I'll say it out loud: though I despise Trump and mourn the damage he and those enabling have caused, I spend more time online looking at pro-Trump, conservative and Republican focused material than anything else. I downvote none of it, even the legit crazy/scary stuff, and in the rare cases I comment, it's carefully worded to be neutral or even sometimes conciliatory, though always honest.

It scares me that many people feel the need to apologize for openly admitting that they looked at material from 'the other side'.

More often, people will refrain from posting their actual, perhaps nuanced views entirely, due to the fear of being judged/attacked/whatever. Didn't Paul Graham write an essay about that?

My wife was writing a research essay to present to our local Toastmasters group, which she is a relatively new member of. She was going over the talk with one of the senior members, one on one, on zoom, and she mentioned, in passing, that our family is going to delay getting the Covid19 vaccine a couple of months, because we've been exercising (essentially) phase 0 (extreme) lockdown consistently since last March. We can do that because we're blessed with the ability to work and (for our son) go to school from home.

The person my wife mentioned this to just lost her shit, and went into a verbal rampage about how to delay getting the vaccine is akin to being an anti-vaxer, how it was immoral to not get it as soon as humanly possible.

To be clear: If any of me, my wife or son came into contact with other human beings with any frequency, we'd get the vaccine as soon as possible. We're not afraid of it.

But others need it before we do.

However, that 'nuance' was entirely lost in an emotional, knee-jerk reaction which reminds me of so many other things we see today.

Was there voter fraud in the 2020 US presidential election? I'd bet my life on it; that there was at least a single single incident of fraud. Did that fraud in any way change the outcome of the election? Of course not.

Apologies for the tangent.

I want to encourage everyone to consider looking carefully, deeply and compassionately at what 'the other side' writes and says. It's not easy to do, but I believe it's a necessary, critical work that all of us need to honestly engage in.

Re:Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” by ddingus on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:37PM (#25689222)
Well said. It is hard work too.

Quality post. Thanks for it.

Re:Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” by razius on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:24PM (#25689000)
What kind of political governance doesn't take kindly to any opposing views and doesn't tolerate debates?
Re:Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” by eeZah7Ux on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:46PM (#25689351)
Authoritarianism in general.

However, the paradox of tolerance fully applies.

Re:Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” by razius on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:50PM (#25689400)
I always see the paradox mentioned, at what percentage the tolerant actually flips to become the intolerant?
Re:Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” by Diederich on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:02PM (#25690467)
Are you asking, at what percentage DO the tolerant actually flip to become the intolerant? This is a good question, though probably impossible to answer with any precision.

I fear that it happens a lot more frequently than most people are willing to admit.

Re:Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” by razius on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:52PM (#25689426)
Eg. The nazis could argue to themselves that they are just getting rid of the intolerant.