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Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by war1025 on Friday January 08, 2021 @12:07PM (#25686850)
> its just a signaling thing

That makes a lot of sense.

Also what on earth makes a steak worth $200? I bought a 1/4 beef this fall for something like $700, and that includes all the nice steaks and roasts along with like 50 lbs of ground beef.

Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by jdmichal on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:36PM (#25690826)
In addition to what others have mentioned, a $200 steak is probably -- hopefully?! -- dry-aged. Something like 1/3 of the weight is evaporated away during dry-aging, so that 16oz steak was originally 24oz. There's also loss to trimming, which is required due to both a desiccated crust and fungal and mold growth on the surface. And it is typically a high-grade beef to start with. And it's time intensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef_aging#Dry-aged_beef

Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by war1025 on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:49PM (#25690972)
I know they aged the carcass for two weeks on my beef before they broke it down into cuts. I think the "dry aged" stuff is generally aged even further than that, right?

I think I read somewhere that mass-market beef is generally not left to hang after slaughter, is that correct?

Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by curiousllama on Friday January 08, 2021 @12:45PM (#25687380)
Well, a nonlinear demand curve for luxury goods comes into play. Also, $200 steaks are typically prepared (at which point you're paying for restaurant ambiance and the chef's time). Raw steaks don't get up that high unless aged or pre-prepared in some way.

But more generally, steaks just scale well to the high end. They keep getting better and better as cut, livestock, and preparation improves. That's not necessarily true for other foods. E.g., most pastas (while obviously delicious) will only get so good barring a virtuoso chef.

I recommend a test. Find a friend who's really good at preparing steaks. Have them cook a good cut & a regular cut from your 1/4 beef, and you cook one of each too. You'll taste the difference from cut and preparation quality.

Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by war1025 on Friday January 08, 2021 @12:53PM (#25687496)
Where would you suggest getting a "good" steak?

In my experience direct from farmer beef is so superior to store bought beef that I avoid eating beef bought from a store.

Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by Afton on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:14PM (#25688812)
My experience with buying quarters was 'so-so' enough that I stopped. Even when the meat was good enough, I found that I felt like I was being ripped off. There is just so much opportunity between the farmer and butcher to cheat you, and you don't have any insight. Maybe it's just me.

I can really only imagining this working out consistently if you really developed those relationships, and for a purchase I'd make a few times a year at most, it didn't seem worth it.

Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by war1025 on Friday January 08, 2021 @03:17PM (#25689851)
I guess, yea, do business with people you trust.

I've found butchers and farmers to be generally upstanding people. I'm also in the heart of farm country. I would be a lot more leery of people targeting a more urban market.

Re:Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ic... by samatman on Friday January 08, 2021 @03:16PM (#25689836)
A good compromise is an actual butcher, the kind who has a relationship with farmers and breaks down primal cuts.

I live alone so a quarter beef would be a real challenge to finish off. Instead, I can go to the local butcher and get the usual cuts, and the unusual cuts, soup bones, hard fat for tallow, and so on.

Where I live, at least, it's all local, beef, lamp, goat, chicken, doesn't matter.